I got into a Fight at Warm Up last night
Last night was my first night back in Chiang Mai and it's great, after being in Pattaya for 2 months it's good to be back in Chiang Mai I didn't waste anytime either called some mates to meet up at Warm Up couple of girls and we're ready for a good night! That's the thing about Chiang Mai is when you know a lot of people you can have a great time relatively cheaply without it being all about money.
I don't normally do Warm Up I prefer other places but it's been a drag living in Pattaya seeing all these ugly isaan girls that I wanted to go to the one place in Chiang Mai that has the hottest chicks and that has to be without a doubt Warm Up.
One of my mates bailed so it was just me my best mate and these two girls, we were having a good time laughing and hanging out finishing off a bottle of Red Label, we got there early at like 7 for dinner because I like long nights out and it's hard to get a seat in this place even on a Thursday night.
At about midnight I head to the toilet and come back to find some Farang sitting at my table staring at my girl. Me and my mate have had problems with Farang at warm up before trying to like come and hang out with us because they don't know anyone. This by the way is not cool man, just because i'm a Farang doesn't mean I'm your friend and if you don't know me don't come over and interrupt my night dude. The only time this is cool is if you already are with a girl or bring a few single girls with you, then sure come sit at my table, but don't wander in drunk sit down at my table without saying high and stare at my girl!
So I ask my girl if she knows this dude and she says no and the guy hasn't said anything at this point he's just sitting there so I tap him on the shoulder and give him the eye and head motion to move along. This guy had balls the size of watermelons stands up and goes sits next to my girl now she's stuck in the corner, I am about to go ape shit so I ask my mate to tell the guy to leave before I stab him. So my mate goes over tells him to get up and says to him once, twice, three times then in different languages but the guy just won't fuckin leave!
I'm trying to keep my cool at this point as I don't want any problems and my girl can get out now and calls security to get rid of the guy, but security is all the way in the front of the club so while he's gone to get the guards I'm like boiling and the guy steps up to me so I push him away and down the step but the guy gets up and comes back to me, so I popped him one in the head and he falls down to the couch and picks up an empty glass in his hand like he's going to glass me with it. This guy is either retarded or just looking for trouble and he's ruining my night.
I'm not even a violent person and truthfully it wouldn't take much to knock me down I'm not strong at all so really me getting into an altercation like this is really out of character for me and normally I would just walk away from situations like this but it's my damn table so how the hell am I going to walk away from it? This guy was a little punk too even I could fuck him up but he just won't leave!
Finally the security guard comes and walks over to the guy who is still grappling the glass and won't let go the guard wrestles with him a little to release the glass and when the dude does he then starts fighting with the security first grabbing his throat but the Thai dude won't have none of that and smacks him in the head and knocks him to the ground. It's now free game.
He's on the ground and we figure if the security are fighting then it's on for us so i start kicking him and my mate leans down and hits him hard and I mean hard about 12 times in the head, this jerk is going to be sore tommorrow.
Finally the guard tells us that's enough and he picks the guy up and carries him out of the club. Now it seemed the music stopped or something and the whole club is like staring at us which I guess they were when we were kicking the shit out of him on the ground so now they think we're a bunch of skin heads or something lol. Whatever tommorrow everyone will forget about it.
This guy was a total dick and I hope they continued beating on him when he left the club. It's pricks like this who make it more difficult for the rest of us to pick up. Use common courtesy and don't crash someones party without being invited or without at least showing some respect. Don't go up to other farangs in clubs unless you have a few girls with out, and definately don't try to pick up on someone elses girl.
I’d say introducing oneself to make new farang friends is fair game whether he had girls or not, though I don’t know the common behavior or etiquette for a place like that.
If you don’t want to be his friend you can just say you’re busy celebrating your own special occasion and be done with it.
Personally, I’d only sit/stay if I was invited to do so.
It’s pretty stupid for the dude to come up drunk then try to shit on your good time.
Buddy got what was coming to him.
sad story all round by all involved if you ask me.
Dude…that’s an amazing story as I’ve never seen that kind of action at Warm Up or any other place…been lucky, I guess. I left Chiang Mai yesterday (the day you arrived) and miss it a bunch. Next time…krong na peun kong pom…and welcome back!
That’s what I would call a “Fight” – Thai-style.
Seems like you perfectly integrated into Thai society.
drink does strange things to people and he probably wasn’t aware he was being a pain as we all have done stupid things when drunk
I agree some people can get really stupid on alcohol, but this sounds more like a clear cut case of being an “Asshole.” Which normally only affect drinkers who are really considered “Dicks” to begain with. So he might or might not have been aware of it at the moment, but he sure as hell had it coming. Sadly tho, its not something that you can beat out of them.
I had been a regular visitor to your site and had actually stored it it in my favourites, after reading this piece I’m deleting it from my favs and won’t be coming back.
You sound like a grade A wanker, the part about you said about “just because you’re farang doesn’t mean I’m your friend, why come interrupt my night” just makes you sound like an arrogant cock, just cos you speak Thai and you’ve been here a while you think you’re superior to a tourist, have you never been out on the town and got talking to some people you don’t know, have you ever started talking talking to a fellow farang due to the fact you both have something in common.
I know your type, you’ve disappeared up your own arse, you think you’re a bad boy but you’d shit you’re pants if you were fronted one on one!
Honestly Martin you weren’t there so don’t come onto my website and bag out on me. I’m one of the most sociable and approachable people in Thailand as anyone who has met me would know which is now literally thousands of people. Am I arrogant? Yes I am. But that’s not the issue here. If you came to my table and talked to me and wanted to join me and I was on a double date I’d tell you straight out that tonight isn’t the night but here’s my website lets hook up another night, but if you came and sat down at my table tried to talk to my girl and I looked at you with a disconcerting look you’d either A. introduce yourself to me or B. fuck off, instead this asshole ignored my suggestion and went and blocked in my girl. When i approached him and told him it was time to leave he didn’t, in fact he never once said nothing to me or my friend even after I hit him so he deserved to get the shit kicked out of him.
Have you ever been to Warm Up dude? obviously not, try it, walk in there and try to talk to a girl in there and see if you don’t get told to fuck off or get lost. It’s not the place Farang can go to pick up.
Hi Chris…enjoy reading your website…sounds like everyone was pissed to me including you!!…lol.wasnt there,obviously, but a bit heavy on your disire that the guy should continue to be beaten outside the club tho… a bit of a chavvy thuggish attitude…dont you think!!
Sure I can agree, and I’ve read the comments and was talking to my mate about it today, you know, it was a bar fight you know, bar fights are usually all in cheap shots and beat the guy before he beats on you. If this idiot did the same thing to some guys at a club in London, Sydney or LA he’d likely to end up way worse than what he got at little warm up in Chiang Mai and you can bet your ass it wouldn’t be fair there either, sure that’s hardly an excuse on my part i’m just saying it happened is all.
Martin, I’m not sure if Chris used the best wording to say what he wanted to, but perhaps he meant exactly that.
Just because we read the blog doesn’t make us buddies if we ever randomly bump into him on a night out.
Ever bump into an actor/celebrity/well known public personality (Chris falls into the third category, at least for us readers…) in California, New York, Florida or anywhere else for that matter out on the town, generally you’re not their friend off the bat.
If he told you to fuck off after a brief introduction, your comments would be warranted, but I’m sure if you weren’t a drunk schmuck interrupting his night beyond a “Hi, I’m Martin and I read your blog… Mind if I join you for a drink?” I’m sure he’d say it’s not a good night and perhaps ya’ll could exchange info briefly and be on with your respective nights.
I don’t see any superiority card being played here as far as being better than a tourist.
I think you’re just jumping to conclusions on faulty logic…
Was it a bad situation, yes. Did you make it worse by not just getting security from the start, absolutely. Yes it was bad for him to sit at your table without asking or introducing himself and to refuse to leave, but do you actually gain anything from a physical altercation?
I’m actually surprised you have not had anything like this happen to you before. Sadly, most men think that any Asian woman with a western man is a prostitute and after a few beers they have no respect for the guy she is with. I was in Kuala Lumpur with a Filipina friend (she’s not a working girl and was just there on vacation) when some drunk asshole made a cash proposition to her while she was waiting for me outside of a store (I know he saw us together). Yes I could have punched him in the throat, but instead we went home and I fucked the shit out of her like I did most nights.
No matter what someone has done beating them when they can’t defend them self is some shameful shit.
I haven’t had a physical altercation for over 10 years dude, it’s not really my thing and for pretty much anything I’m happy to walk away, similar story to yours has happened to me over and over again and you know what whatever I could care less, I was standing next to a girl of mine when a guy came straight up pushed me out of the way and propositioned her, of course she said she was a good girl and walked back over to me and we walked away. I couldn’t tell you how many situations I’ve been in that could have gone out of control if I was a hot head, but I ain’t. The situation i’m sure isn’t expressed well with my writing skills but this is one situation where the guy got what he got. If it wasn’t me it would have been security anyway.
What did I get out of it? Nothing, but I bet that dickhead learned a lesson he won’t soon forget.
People can say whatever they want about what happened but the truth of the matter is I know myself if I did the same thing as that guy did and I got beat up I know myself that I would deserve it and that really is the bottom line.
I haven’t been out in Chiang Mai for years but funnily enough the last time I went out there the same thing happened to us. We were the only farang in a club and had a bottle and were chatting with each other. After a while the waiter started trying to hook us up and finally three girls came over and joined us. None really stunning but by that time we were all drunk and it was a laugh so we hung out together the rest of the night.
A farang guy at least 20 years older than us came into the club quite late and started doing laps of the place, goggling all of the girls who were quickly looking the other day. He finally comes over to our table and without saying hello plunks himself down on a chair (by that time we were all standing). We finally told him that our friend was sitting there so he would move on and he did.
So I totally understand what you felt here. Just because I’m white doesn’t mean that I’m automatically going to invite another white dude to sit and drink with us! Not sure why other people here don’t get that.
It’s probably your arrogance that caused you to be involved in fight, as it could’ve been avoided easily by security themselves. I am really surprised that someone like you (civilized) would fight in a club, let alone join the fight with security guards – thai style, while he is on the ground.
I’ve found myself in similar situation 2 years ago in Ao Nang. There was a very drunk dude (but bulked up) who was in love with this Thai girl (I had no idea ofc) and he was repeatedly saying to me and her to kiss each other. After 10th time he said it, we kissed and he tried to provoke a fight with me, obviously VERY upset. The first thing that crossed my mind was “Is it better to win the fight and 1) possibly end up in thai jail / watch my steps for rest of my vacation or 2) end up in a thai hospital.
I kept my cool, apologized to the guy 3 times and he just left. I later found out he lost his passport that night!
I am wondering if you ever thought about possible consequences of attacking that guy at Warm Up? Imagine if he grabbed a beer bottle, smashed it and stabbed you? Or if security guards didn’t know who started the fight and started kicking the **** out of you? Or even something worse?
Like I’ve said, I’m pretty good at avoiding confrontations and for the past 10 years have never been into a troubling situatino and yes I could have walked away from this whole situation I’m not exactly sure how it got to that point but it did, sometimes this shit just happens.
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Hi Chris, I am having problems signing into your site.
Are u having any issues or are u banning just me?
Sent you and email mate.
You know, its my first time visiting your site. I see so many comments here about it being wrong to beat up a guy that is down, or alone, or drunk or whatever. But let’s face it, this is Asia, be it Thailand, Hong Kong, Singapore, where ever, if you want to get into a fight, make sure you can handle it. No one is going to fight fair just because you are a farang or that your culture says its only fair to fight one on one, or “man to man”. If its just you and there are 10 of them, expect an ass kicking. That’s just Asia. If you don’t like it, don’t come to Asia, and don’t get into fights. Don’t be a drunk dick just because you’re on holiday and things are cheap. Especially in Thailand, you have no idea who has a gun and is itching to use it. Why don’t you go to the roughest Thai bar you can find and try to make trouble there? No one is going to roll over for you, and you might just go back in a box.
What really happend:
I also do a lot of stuff online, receive 80 emails/day, write a lot and have little time left… so I can see what has happend here, Chris probably also has little time and so hammers out his stories and wisdom which I really enjoy, so you have to understand that the meaning can get a little blury sometimes… and come across a little different…. unlike a lot of elderly retired people who love to be precise because they have little to do.. like on thai visa.. picking on each others grammar….
Chris, you are doin great, keep it coming…
as for me, recently had a good friend shove my GF because of gossip with his wife blah blah will have countless sleepless sad thoughts of her walking away down the street… when I should have @#@$@#@ , but after the Golf War and things I have done and seen.. did not do anything..
They asked the dick to leave… he did not… end of story..
Martin said: “I had been a regular visitor to your site and had actually stored it it in my favourites, after reading this piece I’m deleting it from my favs and won’t be coming back.”
Hold the door Martin, I’m very tempted to follow you and had already thought this before reading your comment.
Shame really, I’ve enjoyed reading your stuff Chris – didn’t think you’d stick it in Pattaya.
Hitting and kicking a man who is already on the ground unable to defend himself is damned despicable.
In Thailand kharma is talked about a lot. What goes around comes around!
Throwing the first punch or push is just looking for trouble.
I doubt there is one person out there who has never done something less than honorable and fewer who will ever admit to it. Since maybe I’ve been in a situation where I was house invaded and beat upon by some very large Samoans that this is Kharma working it’s way back, perhaps this particular guy was just getting his first lick and maybe he really did deserve it because it would normally take a hell of a lot of drugs to get me back into that kind of situation again and I don’t do drugs, i’m putting it down as a bad experience I had and am moving on.
OK lets leave it there and move on, you have my thoughts on the matter. You’ve said your back in CM, but haven’t really posted your overall thoughts on Pattaya or said if you’ve given it up or are just visiting CM?
How does the cost of living compare with CM?
Also, in your cost of living atricle, you mentioned medical insurance. Who is that with and what’s covered?
I returned to chiang mai only for 3 days for immigration and the mongers meetup but am now back in Pattaya at least for another month. I use Blue Shield, never needed it yet but it’s there as a backup, you have to pay in full for the year but you get a small rebate if you don’t use it that year. I’ll be writing more Pattaya stuff this month.
Arrrooooo..The full/super moon must have stoked your ass that night.. There isn’t anything wrong with a good old fashioned “duke out” every once in a while to turn the fuzz on your nuts into barbed wire:Dudes need to do that every once in a while to make their ladies feel safe.They like it when we act like cavemen every now and then.
I know where you’re coming from,because I hate it when somebody jumps on my stage [with some stupid b/s] when I’m firing on a hottie.
Good show Slugger.
have to agree with Martin – you have just made yourself sound like a grade A wanker. Punching and kicking a man who was already getting a beating off security. What big men you and your friend are.
You sound like some kind of heartless, violent bastard to me. You guys ganged up on him and started beating on him when he was on the ground and you were in no danger. What he did was annoying Im sure but what you guys did was criminal.
there’s a million ways you could have handled it without beating the shit out of him when he was helplessley on the ground and obviously you were in no danger. I hope kama catches up with the two of you.
You had finished the bottle of Red ? Why not call it a night and just leave. No sense beating the hell out of a drunk if you don’t have too.
No the bottle was not done yet.
as I said – grade A wanker and arrogant with it
I respect your right to have your say, so have a little respect back, it’s easy for you and others to sit back read my stories and judge me i don’t mind honestly but I don’t think it’s right you come and call me names. It is what it is. This is the only place in Thailand where you can actually call me a wanker and I can call you and armchair dickhead. I’m getting tired of it.
One of the things I hate about living in the Philippines is the drunk, rude farangs living here. Most of the expats from all over the world are good people. However, there are always a few jerks that cause trouble for the rest of us.
I think you did the right thing, though I probably would have stopped when he went down. But, I wasn’t there.. shrug.. I think we need to send a message to these jack-offs who think they own the world when they party in another country.
Yeah – if he had walked up and introduced himself, everything (probably) would have been fine. But with that attitude? He deserved a good smack. The fact that he did that at a table with two guys tells me he really needs a wake-up call. That’s just plain stupid no matter how you look at it.
Maybe you gave him a little education and he’ll think twice before being the “ugly American” or whatever he is.
Chris I like you dude and like your forum (been here since the start almost?) but I do remember the stupid things I have sometimes done (and regretted the next day) and ‘hope’ that no one would deck me for being a fool who has drunk too much and not thinking straight… we all do it and I have run into these situations before.
I hope I always remember to ‘walk away’ and just think the guy’s a wanker (temporary drunk wanker) I think you went OTT on this one and next time you might call security or just walk – no disrespect dude but you can tell from the comments on here that it might have been an over-reaction – the guy was drunk.
Yes we were not there – if I was I would hope I would have said ‘Chris come on dude forget this prick let’s go over there’
Yeah we went overboard, there were frustrations apart from the night both me and my friend were feeling he was unlucky to walk in on us that night cause any other night would have been a different story we would have walked away. I remember that night was that full large moon or something we were also really drunk it’s just one of those things that happened and I don’t doubt that other people who have commented have went overboard on something too. You’ve met me before dude I’m normally a happy fun guy. It was just the wrong night.
It’s an old post, but i would have to agree with Martins sentiments. You do have a great site, very informative & quite funny too. However sometimes you do come accross alittle arrogant. I have seen posts that you have written where you yourself have pulled up along side “farangs”, for a chat, and to shoot the breeze. You even said that these “farangs actually buy you beers in exchange for advice, translations or just because their loaded on holidays. But when someone comes & tries to befriend you (you get a bit of an attitude). You seemed to me the type of bloke who wouldn’t mind someone saying gday or pulling up a chair for a yarn. Him being drunk does change things but i think you perhaps could have reacted a little differently. I go to Thailand about 6 times/ year so if i do run into you, i guess i had better keep to myself, unless i have a girl for you
It’s true I can be a little arrogant sometimes. If we were in Spicy, hotshot or Zoe I mean I would expect it. But if I’m in an all Thai club where you zero in on me because I’m the only white guy there (example warm up and monkey) It’s just not cool, the reason I go there with girls is so I can get with them later, if you rock up to me in that kind of place it ruins my whole game plan I’ve been doing it for years now I know what kills the mojo, too many farangs at the table and the girls get intimidated which is why you’d better bring some girls with you (preferably not loi kroh chicks). I’ve met thousands of guys in Thailand off the internet and randomly this is the first time some jerk ever came up without talking to me and grabbed my girls leg in a place like Warm Up hmmm I’m honestly surprised at the comments. Maybe it’s just me but I’d never walk into an All Thai club single out the only farang in there and say “hey i’m alone can I hang with you” your a jerk if you say no and you’re a punk if you let me hang it’s a no win situation. Lets say it was you in my situation. I came to your table gave you a snide look without saying anything to you then tried to feel up your girl tell me you wouldn’t want to kick the shit out of me? I’m a super friendly guy one of the most social guys in Thailand (most guys are hiding away somewhere) I’ve spent more money on drinks for other guys than have bought me drinks I help guys out all the time and pretty much ask for nothing yet from one post i’m a jerk, i don’t get it.
Well, I’ve got to side with Chris on this one, there is a point where you can get out of a situation…but after that it sounds like the guy got some “get right” applied. Unfortunately he probably won’t learn from it.
Sorry I read the comments on this story and I don’t agree with most of them (trashing the author). The guy picked up a bottle! You only do that when you want to glass someone; so he was a twat. A complete and utter twat. Who got smacked, very hard from the sounds of it, and probably learnt a valuable lesson.
That’s without even mentioning all the crappy things he did first (hitting on another guys girl, sitting at a table that is not his, not leaving when asked to, twice!!!). Sounds like to me he had drunk courage and thought he could take on the world. If he had done this to thai’s (the ones I have seen) they would have given him a hell of a lot more than it sounds like Chris and his mate did.
Chris, being honest and telling people what you did. You are a brave man, Chris. Hats off for you.
And again these people raising their little finger.
Ask them did they ever feel anger flooding their belly ? We are experiencing life and not all is always nice and warm and . . . .
Everything was fine Chris until the point where you stated that you began kicking someone and your friend punched a defenseless person in the head 12 times.
I’m not exactly sure what would have caused someone to attack a defenseless person as your friend and you obviously did.
The comment ‘it is now free game’ where did that come from. I have unfortunately been in quite a few fights in my life but I have never hit someone when they went down and many people love or hate me atleast respect me for that.
You have admitted to both your friend and yourself attacking a rather small guy who was extremely intoxicated and basically defenseless. Is the appropriate?
In this case regardless of what happened previous to the fight both your friend and you should have been dragged to the police station and made compensate this guy. It shows a fair level of integrity that this guy did not call the police. I know many expats in Thailand that would have taken maximum advantage.
I guess in some ways if someone behaves like this then perhaps leaving Pattaya was a good decision where some people have a memory like an elephant.
I don’t go around beating people up I’ve only ever had one incident like this ever in Thailand, though have had the shit kicked out of me defensless by a group of thugs before, do I know who did it, yes, did I go to the cops no because I realised i put myself in that situation. As for compensation for the guy dude he was fine i’m certain of that as i’ve said in comments before. As for the Pattaya reference I don’t get it, memory like an elephant? Most of the problems I’ve seen here with fights at pubs are from tourists not expats, Expats are more likely to get into domestics with Thai’s than they are with farang.
Chris be aware of this, at least one of my mates carries a knife. He would have stabbed you to death that night in the blink of an eye, just think about it big boy. You are really, really out on a limb, and might lose one soon if you don’t get your shit together.
Is your Friend Thai or Farang? Either way it wouldn’t have mattered, I doubt your friend would have done what this guy did, therefore have no cause cut me true? I still don’t get most of the commentors on this thread either, some guy comes and is a total wanker and then i’m the bad guy would it have been better if I just watched the bouncers kick the shit out of him and done nothing as well cause that’s what would have happened! I don’t get it. I have my shit together I don’t go around being a total fuckwit to people on their night out hitting on girls i shouldn’t be hitting on biting peope on the back and starting fights bitching about a 200 baht bill I don’t do that shit yet I’m the bad guy that’s BS dude. I just want to have a good time without the BS.
Yes my mate is a Thai. Maybe I went OTT but you are high profile here. Many farang have the skills to write a site as you have but haven’t because they know the possible ramifications. Stickman is far less controversial than you but does not post a single picture of himself on his site. Despite this he has still had run ins with readers. Not violent more ‘say that again, and you’re out of Thailand.’
You are the first person in 10 years I’ve ever heard of being involved in a dust up at Warm Up. It is not that type of place. The drunk guy was never going to get your girl. You should have got security to eject him and left it at that. I’m sure you’ve done stupid things drunk, we don’t want people to kick our heads in. That’s what happens back home, not here.
And even if the guy had been sober and hitting on your girl you don’t sound like you plan to marry/take care of anyone right now. You’re a talented writer/investigator/webmaster stick to what you’re best at. If you were in that situation again, would you react differently?
I appreciate you looking out for me mate I do and don’t worry I did listen to what you had to say. Sure I’m probably the most known Farang in Chiang Mai because of this site but I think the real reason other people don’t write this site because A) they can’t speak Thai well and B) they’re lazy. When he started beating on the security guy which was just a small dude we jumped in to help, at that time I was going through shit with my g/f living in Pattaya I had a lot going on my mate was going through a divorce we both had some really pent up aggression and we were drunk I’m sure most guys can relate to that. Would I act differently now, under the same situation I think it would play out the same.
I agree 100% with Chris. I’ve lived in central and south America for the last 14 years and there are way too many scmbgs that are just like that maggot Chris smacked . I have usually avoided most , in my case, gringos, like the plague .
I ‘m NYC born and raised and Chris is right if that was LA, London, Sydney or Brooklyn ,(where I ‘m from),that POS would’ve gotten a hell of alot worse than a couple of kicks .. Besides he picked up a glass,that’s a weapon in my book ,now it’s REALLY on!.Anything goes, Chris slapped him ,knocked him on his ass ,and the bastard comes at him with the threat of smashing a glass against his head?!FK that! The guy had no manners,and was a lowlife , he got off easy.