Who Pays For Sex With Thai Hookers
Paying for sex can be a lifestyle for many, a fad for others, some people get into in then get out quickly, while others are repulsed by the whole thing. In my mind you're always paying for sex, whether you pay a bar fine or take a girl out for noodles you are going to pay something, at the very minimum you're going to have to pay for your time while she babbles on until you can mutter the words "lets go fuck in a short-time".
I've been through phases where I don't pay for sex for years then I'll be going hard for months. I might have a steady girlfriend or not it doesn't seem to really make much difference the situation you find yourself in. Obviously when you have no money you can't be out banging whores, in that case your sole game is either on the street or on a dating site which by the way still costs something. Networking can be great for your sex life but soon enough you've fucked everyone you know and you start running out of new options.
Chiang Mai is a small place, if you live here and start banging whores soon enough you start seeing these girls everywhere. Pattaya is much the same, actually if you're in any tourist area its easy to become known by the girls as the guy "the customer". As soon as this happens your life can get exciting but it can also get complicated. Jealous whore fights and random late night knocks on the door can be loud and messy but can also be a lot of fun.
The way westerners buy sex here compared to the way Thai's do is completely different. Most Thai girls are hooking themselves these days through the internet, karaoke bars, or by other enterprising hookers who become madams in their own little networks. While the western online escorts see a lot of success, for every 1 girl on their site there are 1000's on sideline sites. These girls pimp themselves and most of them want your real online Facebook profile that can match up to your email address, but many are dumb as well and do no pre-screening at all. Unless your from an Isaan whoring suburb or you don't have a coyote body then this is what many young Thai girls are doing these days to buy that new iPhone.
Men who pay for sex call themselves "punters" while the women call the men "customers". "Bar girls" is a common label for girls who sell sex to foreign men. Thai men typically don't pay for sex with "Bar Girls" normally Thai men play the role of boyfriend while she's out making money, he's spending it on the "Karaoke" and "Coyote girls".
Paying for sex with a Thai Hooker is not always straight forward, while many girls don't have "pimp's" they do have minders. So instead of a 6 foot African/American who will beat your door down if you don't pay, Thai hookers have Tuk Tuk drivers, Mamasons, family, and friends. Just like regular pimps, all these people have their hand out too.
Anytime you pay for a hooker in Thailand unless you're dealing with just her one on one you're paying at least twice as much.
Who pays for Sex?
I couldn't find any studies on the types of men that pay for sex with girls in Thailand but based on my extensive experience there isn't really "the typical guy". Sex tourists and expats who pay for Thai hookers come from all possible backgrounds and work in all sorts of professions.
The Soft Guy
The Soft Guy is typically a captain-save-a-ho kinda guy. He cares about her feelings and ends up feeling sorry for her. This guy is typically broke in a few years.
This smooth character likes to drop the "I love u's" on these girls, he's typically trying to get "extra benefits" out of any transaction
The Old Git
This guy's routine is to swallow Viagra at the time of paying the bar fine this way he doesn't forget.
Since the Fish has never paid for sex before he still opens doors, pays a tip to look good, buys her flowers and new clothes. Almost always stays with the same girl.
The Addict has a full list of games he now plays, his favorite is "How many ho's on beach road can I fuck in one afternoon".
The Bar Stool
This guy typically arrives in Thailand and drinks every day at the same beer bar. He tries to develop relationships with the girls and slowly loses his savings. The bar stool who runs out of money ends up drinking Chang on a ledge close to 7/11.
Cashed up the tourist is often determined to get laid at least once a day. Whatever his budget affords him he'll make the most of his time here.
How do you know when a Thai Hooker has cum? Who gives a fuck!
Is Online Dating killing the sex industry?
With the ease of online dating people often wonder why anyone would pay for sex when you can get a Tonne of girls to do it for free? The people saying this typically own or frequent beer bars and go-go bars. The people paying for sex these days can afford to do it and those people also want entertainment, imported beers, and bottles of whatever.
The go-go and beer bar industry will never disappear but it will make the industry a smaller percentage of the overall sex industry in Thailand. The online dating sites are killing the cheap beer bars and go-go bar industry, but the sex industry isn't dying it's been replaced by bigger and better entertainment venues that cater to a more affluent crowds. For people prepared to pay 6000 baht a girl for the night, those people don't mind spending a bit more for better entertainment.
Rules for paying for sex
- Here are some rules I live by when paying for sex.
- Have an agreement on the amount of times you can have sex.
- Have an agreement on what she will actually do. (some girls won't give head and threesomes, imagine!)
- Agree on a price..first!
- NEVER take an unknown back to where you live, use a short time hotel they are cheap!
- ALWAYS Rubber up!
Any More Advice?
If you have any advice that would be helpful to other guys please comment below. Additionally the best advice/comment will win a free VIP membership. If you're already a VIP and your comment is selected then Chris will send you 1500 baht. Winner drawn on the 10th of November 2015.
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lol. it’s not the first comment, it’s the best comment!
Best comment so far is…
“lol. it’s not the first comment, it’s the best comment!”
Dont get emotionally involved with the girls, dont fall in love. Just have fun. I guess I am the last category, the tourist 🙂
I was watching a John in simons beer bar a few weeks back in Pattaya. Arm around his Lek, she huge tattoo on her back. He kept saying to her “I love u so much” 🙂 pathetic
noodles are only 30 baht…
Even cheaper if you just make a promise of it.
(Boom boom first – eat afterwards; then “Oh fuck it.. I’m not hungry any more!”)
The Economist recently wrote a feature article on the sex industry and how the internet is changing business models; just your site along has a few on-line adds. But the real change (at least in Europe and eventually here) is that customers/Johns can register on-line; including health information of both parties. Thailand is the sex industry capital; but it will also change – and the tourist demographic is changing. More Indians and Iranians were the largest percentage increase – but to the average reader of this blog; don’t worry – the beer bars and a-go-gos won’t be going away – just might see less of them.
Just remember, her mother will always need an operation every 6 months, her i-phone will be stolen 3 times a year and you will be paying for an extended family including her addict brother. The extra money will also pay the interest only on her loan shark bill. So make it a short term relationship and move on!
I’m fairly new to Thailand and with the help of this blog jumped successfully feet first into the bar scene. I’ve transversed quickly through the different types you mention probably end up a bit of an old git if I don’t rescue some poor ho first.
You’re right we all pay for sex in one way or another, even marriage is a financial contract that says you’ll still support the woman if you leave.
When holidaying alone I find the bar girl scene a reliable way to pass some time and end up with a girl for the night. I’ve still to try the nightclubs and coffee bar pick ups maybe the next holiday.
Use, infuse and recycle!!!! 😉
I’ve been coming to Thailand regularly since 1998 now and have had all sorts of Thai girls, bar girs, a gogo girls, shopworking girls, massage girls etc but have always steered clear of Pattaya’s beach road girls.
Now I met a lovely young girl, half my age and she’s sweet and seem very innocent, she even cried when I told her I have to “finish” with her. I travelled with her to meet her family in Isaan and they treated me like a guest of honor, slaughtered chickens and grilled it and ate with sticky rice. Mom, stepdad, grandma, grandpa and aunts and cousins, wow !
The problem with all of these women and especially the ones from Isaan is money, she now wants me to build a house in Isaan and it all started when I started send her money. She’s got a regular day job in Bangkok now but I took her away from the bar scene in Pattaya so I somehow feel guilty having done that.
Building a house isn’t that much, many of these girls have land their parents can palm off cheap and you could get a dwelling under 2mil, it’s the ongoing costs that really bite. A lot of guys think oh it’s only 2mil and i’d have a house but not really, who really wants to live in Isaan so you’d end up sending money to upkeep the property forever. It’s a loss investment. But it is every thai girls dream. You can’t change that dream for working girls but regular girls you can instill a different dream, like self confidence to do something with their life. Bottom line, don’t buy a house for anyone.
as someone who also has an isaan wife(in her mind only – not on paper) and has lived here 15 years. ive never ever paid sin sod, never built her a house, never bought her flowers, blah blah blah>
However i did improve her l;ife considerably by making her very rich, by building her a business empire. wherby i get 50% of the profits. i sit at home on my computer while she deals with the Thai side and workers.
Trust me…. this is the best way….
Ofcourse we are getting on now and she is aging fast… no kids etc.
So yes now im looking for a younger model, would i do it all again?
No… i would select a Thai that has a job and i dont care if they are from isaan or not. just as long as they are self sufficient. why?
Cos i dont want kids… and having a Thai GF you have to support is just that, .. sugar daddy… the petite young body gets boring after a few months,.,, and the love bug can easily be manipulated to their advantage by lots of massages and cooked meals that as westerners we are wowowed by. but as Thais that is their cultural default. if they didnt do that theyd be considered bad and lazy women… dont be fooled…
Thai girls are a bit “more-ish”. Once you’ve had one, you just have to have more.
Pleasure Cost Money
Back in 2009 I playing the role of the tourist fresh off the boat. Picking up girls in Discos or late night bars where the bar girls go if they didn’t get bar fined. I wouldn’t mention anything about money and when this conversation came up in the morning or after sex I would play the ‘I didn’t know’ card. Sometime the girls would kick off, threatening to get someone to beat me up. This isn’t worth the bother and I would come to some sort of agreement. The amount of times the girls head would just drop and hit you with some sob story was unreal. As Chris said I wouldn’t take these girls back to my apartment you don’t shit on your own door step. After a few months this all fizzled out, as people get the rep of a “customer” I got the rep of ‘Mr Cheap Charlie’. 🙂
I’m appalled you would do this and it fucking stinks. We all know the rules – don’t shit on these girls who have a bad enough life as it is – give them the 2000 LT or 1500 ST and show a bit of compassion. Not only that you could land yourself in deep shit – if I pick up a girl and i TRULY did not know they needed ‘help’ I always give them 1000.
So many guys do this and it’s sad cause the only real thing the girl can do is find someone to beat you up or stick a knife in your throat, which for most girls isn’t even an option because mostly no one really gives a fuck about working girls. I’ve got a friend lives in Thailand makes a lot of money, and he pulls this shit all the time, he can pay for it which he does often but if he can pull it off he does also. I don’t get it. But the trend seems to have taken hold and many places are asking for money upfront which is how every whore in Thailand should operate, but the girls are dumb and easy targets for the cunning expat.
4 words all Thai Hookers should learn.
“Pay Before You Play”
This eliminates the scam from being played out. Then she should know the next words to master.
“Extra shot 1000 baht”
Good advice for working girls. But not so good for guys who don’t have a problem paying. I noticed several GoGo’s on Walking Street where they now require that you pay the Mamasan upfront for the girls fee. Not only do you pay barfine but the girls LT or ST fee as well. The issue with paying upfront is that once she has your money, she tends to not put on as good of a performance. I guess it’s “Briffault’s Law.” But what’s even worse sometimes is when they put on a star fish performance and still expect a 500 to 1000 bhat tip. This has happened to me several times. But like I said, I have no problem paying a Thai girl’s fair price, I just rather pay after the deed to get a better performance. I guess it just takes a few cheap charlie assholes to ruin it for the rest of us!
Here is an additional piece of advice or thought: develop some kind of rapport with the girl before going into the negotiation phase regarding how much is she willing to do for how much and/or for how long.
Although your gut feeling may fail you (and Chris wrote in some other article that one of the great advantages is that you do not have to talk to a girl you are paying because most falang do not speak Thai well enough) I have found the experience a lot more satisfying if there is some chemistry between the girl and myself and that can had best only in person which will be the main reason for the bars to stay. Even if limited to international sign language, laughing at your jokes, you liking or disliking her body language and responses can make a big difference in how the rest of the evening shapes up.
Providing for a better likelihood of finding that chemistry can be at least in part the reason why I can see pricier options, may it be high end outcall escort services or clubs, will continue to gain popularity, as long as they help to in the selection process, which makes the experience more pleasant. Anything from the quality of the girl (because of better education, (English) language skills, and better manners) to a more luxurious environment with more amenities for people who can and are willing to afford such extras are possible and in part already reality. While a higher quality girl may increase the likelihood of chemistry and a good experience, a better environment can at least help to put you at ease.
If you are not willing or able to afford the higher priced options, there will still be
the more bare bones option of a beer/gogo bar. All of the above allow for social in person interaction though, which I prefer to establish (some sort of) chemistry before walking back to my hotel or to a short stay place.
The internet won’t kill the industry in my opinion. It can be helpful when it comes to sharing experiences like Chris’ site or advertisement of clubs bars and independent (sideline) girls. Of course, it also helps to find good girls on dating web pages or social networking pages. The problem for a tourist like me is that time is a factor in the equation and while dating and social networking websites can be helpful to find good girls that want to meet foreigners, there is the possibility that the girl you talked to a few weeks prior to your arrival flunks on you. Chatting up girls in the mall can take some and you still have to be lucky to find someone. That is where (gogo) bars come in: usually a good selection, enough time for a (possibly shallow) chemistry check. For the same reason, outcall is not for me – too difficult to move to the next girl, if I don’t like what was sent to me.
Bottom line, the internet is not killing the industry, it only adds to it. If fewer beer bars survive then maybe because there are already to many out there? More higher end places won’t steal clientele that can afford to pay more and internet (sideline girls, good girls) options may make the sex life of expats easier but certainly not that of a tourist. Unless there are so many expats that now do not go to beer bars anymore because they use exclusively online (dating/sideline) services.
Chemistry/your gut feeling may also come in handy when it comes to getting robbed. While it is of course no guarantee, listing to your stomach may also help you avoid a bad ending to your evening. A girl that otherwise may be trying to steal from you.
Of course, feel free to disregard all of the above out, if you are just horny and need some action NOW 🙂
Most of the guys I know in chiang Mai use the massage parlours like the pretty club or head down to Bangkok. I know a few old Thai guys who pay 15000 baht a month for a gik or use brothels that cater for Thai’s only, 1000 baht for young girls.
I love the “soft guy” or you could call him the “the sucker”, plenty of those guys.
The bottom line is MEN ALL PAY, my friend lost a million dollar home in Byron bay through a divorce, she used the police to claim abuse.
Just keep it fun boys.
You pay for sex then you are a customer, she takes the money because she’s a ho, so NEVER EVER think that this one is “different”, Thai hookers are just amazing liars and are NOT suitable to become your girlfriend or wife!
They’re all pink inside my grandfather told me once, and he was right.
Not so much a tip:
My favorite trick for free sex is to pick up a freelancer at a club. Tell her at some point that night that you’re leaving to go to X the next day (play the part of the tourist). At some point later that night after you’ve had you’re fun, tell her how much you want her to come with you to X on a short holiday. If she agrees, offer to drive her to her place that morning to get her stuff and while she’s inside, just drive away. Of course you must not have taken her to your apartment but a cheap hotel and never pay her, tell her you will pay after the holiday is over. I’ve also done this from Patong where the offer is to go to Phi Phi for the weekend and if I like her I actually take her and have my fun all weekend long. On the return I buy two ferry tickets. One for Phuket and one for Lanta. I get on the Phuket ferry with her then before it leaves tell I don’t feel well and need to find a toilet, then jump on the Lanta ferry before it leaves. I got this idea from the first holiday whore I ever let tag along. I took her to Ko Chang from Bangkok and one night she started getting loopy about how much I was banging her each day and demanding to be paid mid trip. I told I would go to the bank in the morning. When I woke up, I left for the “bank” and grabbed the first boat outta there. I left enough money in the room for her to get a bus ticket back to BKK. In coins!
Hope you’re proud…
It’s not about being proud, it’s not about being cheap, it’s just a game. You can be certain most of them play it with you too and will try to separate you from as much of your money as they can. I pay most of the time, sometimes I don’t and there have been times where I knowingly paid too much. It all depends on the girl.
It’s funny your avatar is “nice guy” lol. But seriously I think I understand what you’re doing. I havn’t personally done this with hookers but I’ve done it with regular girls who I just couldn’t get to leave so I told them to go get some clothes and shit then come back and I was gone. I don’t think it is a good move to play with hookers unless she’s just totally up herself in which case I think this play is necessary to bring her back to reality which it sounds like you’re doing.
Best comment so far because I like the controversy it brings and since NiceGuy is a VIP member i’ll send him the 1500 baht and he can pay for the girl next time 😉
“You can be certain most of them play it with you too and will try to separate you from as much of your money as they can.”
But good it if happened to you. Hopefully one of them robs you, and beat you bloody and senseless one day.
I would think she should leave enough money at your side to pay for a bus trip to the Emergency. In coins.
Wow, and people call me an asshole….
you think this is ‘clever’? hope your proud of yourself all people like you do is give all the rest of us a worse time with your cheapness.
can you imagine how they feel? never crossed your mind right?
anyway one day you’ll do this to the wrong one and then BANG you will pay for your lack of compassion
if they are working PAY THEM, they don’t do it for fun, and you don’t have to play the lying, cheapskate arse hole – karma is coming!
See my response to Tino. I bring the Karma to those who have it coming. Most girls I pay by the way and have no problem with paying. But there are some girls who do thieir best to rip you off from the onset, those are the ones that I play with.
These tactics could backfire one day. What comes around, goes around. …Also it ruins it for other mongers who now are often forced to pay Mamasan’s upfront at Bar’s and GoGo’s.
My pro tip: For ST always ask for 2 bangs
lots of girl will say yes for the same price
only the 3F rule applies for commercial sex:
Find, F*ck, Forget 😀
(but don’t forget my VIP membership, chris! lol)
“See my response to Tino. I bring the Karma to those who have it coming”
Funny you have set yourself as Karma Judge & Jury…All the while thinking you are not generating any bad karma yourself?
Will be ironic if the one that ends you tells you right before doing so…
“I bring the Karma to those who have it coming”
Read the post title again, it says “Who Pays For Sex With Thai Hookers”
I don’t some of the times 😛
Look at the post category tags, it specifically says “Tips and Tricks”
I share a ‘Trick’ if you don’t like it don’t try it!
You guys need to get off your high horses, this isn’t an overly serious blog, have some fun. And please don’t be so F’in soft or you’ll be the sad ones crying over your beer about the Thai hooker that you thought loved you. Reality check, they never do!
Interesting article. You forgot to mention the average male who has a girlfriend/wife and would rather pay for sex with a hooker than start a relationship with a gik in case the wife/gf finds out. Hookers (generally) won’t pester you either or send you hundreds of line stickers wanting to meet up again or whatever. You are not required to give them your number.
Some guys just want to have sex with another girl without attachment, this is why a hooker is great for them as they can go home to their wife/gf and get the attachment part.
As for ‘is online dating killing the industry?’ No. Most girls on these dating sites are not as hot as the bar girls (in Bangkok anyway) and many are not so good at performing sex acts. Many guys don’t have the time or effort to chat to these girls in broken English for hours on end to arrange a date for a mediocre lay.
They are past the taboo off ‘ I don’t pay for sex’ ego crap and just go out and get what they want, because it’s hassle free and more convenient.
niceguy I hope your pecker turns green and falls off its okay to be a player your just a dick
Hi all 🙂
The funny thing is, I still never have paid for sex.
I sure slept with more then one, and specially when I was single in BKK.
I act a bit shy n naive n just smile. If they like me, I ask: where do you sleep tonight?
If they take my hand as say with youuuu! It’s up to them.
That said, I’m about to pay for it because the sex is so bad and off topic with some real nice and good ladies… 🙁
Some even say: ok, you can have an outside lady.. If I do, it would probably the same, cute or good looking but so disappointing in bed.
I’m 37 now and I enjoy when they do a big part of the job! Banging and banging and proving myself, not thanks. Besides they are hurt easy, if slow and quiet I’m not turned on. If you get a head because they feel they really should do it, oh well you know…
So maybe I will pay soon, a guy that said, I would never do that lol.
So that’s the prove, I am very responsible for what I say and stand for,
Yet still, people can totally change and it’s not about good or bad.
The only bad for me is the nastiness and risk part…
Oh and yea, good sex is not guaranteed if you pay i would almost forget and I’m sure you guys know hahaha.
Choosing a girl in Thailand is like choosing a chocolate bonbon. If you’re not careful, you’ll end up with nuts in your mouth.
Hilarious! So true. Many guys lust after what they think is a super hot Thai chick before they realize “Surprise” it’s a LadyBoy haha. …I love the tuk tuk driver’s daily advice to tourists, “Loook out for Ladyboy!”