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Pattaya vs Chiang Mai, the 2012 Debate

While the Americans have just concluded the 2012 Presidential debates, Chris and I have decided to publicly engage in our own little debate. You see we have a difference of opinion when it comes to the topic of “best place to live in Thailand.” Chris strongly believes it’s Chiang Mai, while I think its Pattaya hands down. I’m going to go first and present my reasons for why the obvious choice has to be Pattaya, and Chris will follow with his reasoning for why his choice is Chiang Mai. We are counting on YOU GUYS to chime in and tell us what you think. Who won the debate? Where is the best place to live in Thailand? Is it Chiang Mai, is it Pattaya, or do you want to throw another location in the mix?

Mike on why Pattaya is the best place to live in Thailand:

Pussy. Debate over; I win. That was easy!

Ok, so I guess I should go more into detail, but I’m not sure I really have to since Pattaya is Pussy Heaven and since 99% of the visitors to this blog are male. But out of respect for the debate and my opponent I’ll come up with a thorough list of why I KNOW its Pattaya and why it’s not close:

1) Pattaya is close to Bangkok so traveling in and out of the country or to other locations in Thailand is a breeze.

2) Pattaya actually has beaches. Sure Jomtien and Pattaya beaches won’t win any awards, but some beach is certainly better than no beach. Koh Lahn and Koh Sichang are a beautiful and are only a 45 minute boat ride away. Thailand without a beach isn’t what I had in mind when I first signed up to live here. Pattaya offers local beaches and islands in a close proximity.

3) There are more Gogo’s and bars in Pattaya than in almost any other place on the planet. For those of you who say to yourselves, “yea but wouldn’t you get tired of them after a while,” the answer is no. You really never get tired of having 70,000 girls to choose from on a nightly basis. It’s incredible!

4) You can’t beat the food in Pattaya. You can easily get all of the staple Thai dishes for as cheap as can be, but you can also have a never ending supply of non-Thai food. Pattaya has more good restaurants than you would ever need.

5) Pattaya doesn’t close. The night clubs close later in Pattaya than they do in Bangkok, and Soy 6 and about 100 other naughty massage parlors open up at around 11AM.

6) There is so much to do in Pattaya besides the obvious: Watersports, sports leagues, expat clubs, large shopping centers, and many special events. There are two Muay Thai stadiums, many flea markets, 3 movie theatres, 4 large bowling alleys, shooting ranges, atv courses and ziplining tours. You have a few amazing view points, temples, and Silverlake Vinyard next to the Buddha Mountain is beautiful. You will never get bored in Pattaya, it’s impossible.

7) There is more opportunity in Pattaya for an expat than anywhere up North. This is partially due to its proximity to Bangkok, but also due to the amount of foreign companies who have a presence in the city. Getting a good job anywhere in the country is a tall task, but more difficult up north than in Pattaya.

8) For as much as Pattaya offers and for its dynamite location, Pattaya is still very affordable. You can find cheap enough rentals thanks to a glut of empty houses and condo’s on the market.
Everything else will be competitively priced to anywhere else really.

9) Internet speeds are important to many of us, and Northern Thailand can’t compete with Pattaya in this area.

10) If the craziness of Pattaya is at times overwhelming it’s easy enough to just avoid it and that’s one of the great things about Pattaya. If you don’t make your way down to Walking Street you can easily simulate a more peaceful style of living whenever you’d like. You’ll have no problem making a group of friends here and if you have a family there are some good private English speaking schools for children.

Closing argument:

I know one of the logical cons of Pattaya is going to be that all of the girls are prostitutes and that there aren’t enough college girls or good girls, thus limiting the chance to meet a “wifey type.” First of all I can make an argument that limiting the chances of meeting a wifey type is actually a good thing. But more importantly there is nothing stopping you from meeting a wifey type outside of Pattaya and bringing her to live in Pattaya with you. It’s called having your cake and eating it too! You can have a good girlfriend and still enjoy the unbeatable selection of women of the night any day you choose. It is 1:30PM right now as I write this and my girlfriend is in my house. I can tell her right now that I’m going to eat lunch with a buddy and then go bang out any 1 of the 5,000 or so day workers that operate in the massage parlors, daytime gogo’s, or on Soy 6. I could make it back to the house in an hour if I needed to because that’s how damn close all of the pussy is to where I live. I can almost smell it.
Pattaya has a little bit of everything going for itself; I wouldn’t want to be anywhere else.

Chris on why Chiang Mai is the best place to live in Thailand:

I live in Thailand because of two reasons, it's cheap so my money goes way further and secondly for the Thai girls. Most guys I know are the same but if you want a real life then you have to ask yourself if hanging out with hookers and at bars is everything there is in life. For me no, there is a balance and Chiang Mai provides everything you need in a balanced way.

Chiang Mai is a big place, it's bigger than Pattaya and bigger than Phuket it has so many things to do I've lived here for 4 years and still haven't done them all. Sure there is no beach but there is the Hang Dong Quarries, the Mai Gnat dam, and the Mok Fah Waterfall which are fresh water clean and have very few tourists.

Ask any Thai person where the best looking girls from Thailand come from and the name Chiang Mai will come up more than anywhere even in Bangkok which clearly has 50 times more girls there! The girls here are unpretentious and do not care about your money. The girls here have good values and are not interested in bleeding you dry.

Chiang Mai is cheap, in fact it's one of the cheapest cities to live anywhere in Asia that still has all the creature comforts you can find back home. Rent is cheap food is cheap the nightlife is super cheap and you can always find a somewhere to go until the wee hours of the morning.

The weather in Chiang Mai is some of the best in Thailand, the days are sunny and warm and the nights are cool and there's never a hint of too much humidity making the climate here better than anywhere else in Thailand.

Chiang Mai must be the only city in Thailand that doesn't have coyote girls at it's clubs. And for good reason, the girls in the clubs are hotter than the coyote girls! This is a town that still enjoys it's modesty without being in your face, the kinda place guys who want a real girlfriend come to.

There is a massive expat community both old and recently a huge younger expat community. There are so many different clubs around you can find something you enjoy. The people who come to Chiang Mai are more likely to be working online or teaching in a university. Chiang Mai has the largest community of expats making money online in Thailand!

Some say Chiang Mai is boring but they are in for a big surprise within the next two years there will be 9 huge shopping malls, skate parks, ice skating rink several bowling alleys several movie theaters more shopping than you can think of, a huge convention center, a sports park gym swimming pools that only costs 30 baht a time! Not to mention being surrounded by mountains white water rafting ATV riding huge dirt bike tracks, 100's of waterfalls more nightclubs than Pattaya and did I mention 200,000 university students this is a young town, i'm only scratching the surface here.

Chiang mai you can have as much or as little as you like without breaking the bank, you can have a real life in Chiang mai enjoying normalcy yet with the ability to get a little crazy as well.

PS. If you live anywhere else in Thailand please tell us why where you live is the best place to live in Thailand.

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About ParadiseCity

M. Schwartz is an expert in all things Thailand. Having seen and done it all, there is nobody more equipped to teach about a successful ex-pat transition to Thailand. He wrote the cult classic guide book for men in Thailand called, How to Get the Most Bang for Your Buck in Thailand

52 Responses to Pattaya vs Chiang Mai, the 2012 Debate

  1. Derrick October 25, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    I live in BKK and love it. I could easily see myself living in Chiangmai as well, in fact that was the plan before I found myself lured in to the BKK charm. I would NEVER live in Pattaya.

  2. Dean October 25, 2012 at 9:29 am #

    Awesome article, loved it!!

    although i think BKK is still my Fav place in Thailand.. and i go there a hell of a lot..

    but i couldn’t help feeling persuaded by pattaya after reading this.. i think its the beach that really sells me.. not because they are nice beaches on the pattaya strip.. but it just gives a really good vibe.. like its summer all year round.. nothing beats that afternoon time around 5pm when it starts to turn in to night.. and the craziness becomes insanity!!

  3. american October 25, 2012 at 9:29 am #

    I’ll have to go with Pattaya!

    Thai men think pretty girls come from Chiang Mai. 1) I am not Thai, 2) didn’t you say one time that it’s best to get a girl from another city and bring her to yours? FYI, I don’t disagree that there are some hot girls in CM.

    Massive expats in Chiang Mai, sure, probably but there are more than enough in Pattaya.

    White water rafting… Don’t really have that in Pattaya but everything else, go carting, an actual race track with real race cars, kite surfing, wind surfing, jet ski’s (don’t rent them;), sea kayaking, elephant rides, atv’s, etc etc.

    In the end, I like Jomtien (south of Pattaya) because it is cool (cooler than Bangkok and imho being on the beach it seems cooler than Chiang Mai which has almost no breeze. CM is cooler at night in the winter), it is super cheap to live away from the beach, easy to get around (with the highway), islands, sunshine and sunsets over the water. Close to Bangkok (134 baht to the airport in 2 hours), and the nightlive in Chiang Mai cannot even come close. Night clubs (disco’s), gentlemans clubs, gogo’s etc. I have been to the new Spicey in CM and I am sure it is nice for those that live there but it was small, hot, raggedy and a sausage fest. I guess it is BYOTG (bring your own thai girl).

    I can go into pattaya for 10b, go all the way down beach road, 10 baht, quick and easy.

    Look, if you love CM and commited to it, you will want to champion what you think is good things about it. if you like CM, you like it. If you like Pattaya, you like it. No place is perfect but both are high on the list. I just prefer parties, pussy and a place on the beach.

    • Chris October 25, 2012 at 9:39 am #

      I actually did say that and I still think it’s the best game plan if you want a decent girl, import her. I think the expat scene in Pattaya is a lot different than the expat scene in Chiang Mai, different types of people at each place. Spicy sux man! If that’s what you’re after, but Chiang mai has real Thai girls, Pattaya doesn’t. Each place is OK depends on what you like.

      • Dean January 9, 2015 at 1:38 am #

        Chris, you mentioned in your 2012 write-up above (unless that was a different Chris, please forgive if so) the 9 huge shopping centres, etc being built in CM. Have they started those projects yet?

        • Chris January 9, 2015 at 11:52 am #

          They are all finished except one. The platinum shopping mall still to be completed probably end of year

    • Milbrath October 25, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

      Lived in a few different places in Thailand and toured the entire country on a bicycle a few years ago. Without a question, Chiang Mai has the best looking girls anywhere in Thailand. True pale skinned, classic Asian beauties.

  4. ChiangMaiGuy October 25, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    There is no argument – Pattaya has more pussy? obviously and that’s about it but it’s not about AMOUNT is it – it’s about quality of life.

    Chiang Mai has everything – cool weather (comparatively), mountains, lakes, waterfalls, mix of old city and new, shopping malls and, wait for it, GIRLS. I have tons of free sex all the time – don’t need soi 6 and be the 20th customer of the week – don’t need daytime soapies (I’m clean enough) and don’t need to PAY.

    and… closing argument… (drum roll) the people are nicer here! yea I go to Pattaya a couple of times a year – have fun – get bored – come back to lovely Chiang Mai and peace.

    I’m pleased most farang love Pattaya with it’s noise, rip-offs and shagged-out girls – it means they don’t come here!

    • VTwinAhmnaht October 26, 2012 at 3:44 am #

      well put brother…well put. “Shagged out” girls LOL like throwin’ a banana down a hallway.

      • philippe February 7, 2013 at 4:57 am #

        Free sex with sexy girls? Please tell use how.
        I don’t think the average looking joe like me can get that in one night.

        I have been in Chiang Mai and got bored. Lot of sexy Thais just ignoring me and a few ugly one in the street with bars looking at me.

        Free stuffs is not really Thai culture anyway

  5. Buttercup October 25, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    I am with Chris on this one, I’ve been to both Pattaya and Chiang Mai and CM wins but I will still stay in Phuket because I could not do without the beaches and for me Phuket also wins over Pattaya. Beaches are much better and frankly the bar/club/gogo scene is also much better, at least to me.

  6. TylerB October 25, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    I am with Chiang Mai on this one. I just hope it doesn’t turn into a Pattaya in a few years.

  7. Johnnie Walker October 25, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    Buttercup, is Phuket not rather expensive compared to other locations? Are you Thai?

    I think its horses for courses. Some like the frenetic nonstop lifestyle of party town on the beach whilst others prefer a more laid back style in CM surrounded by mountains.

    • Buttercup October 26, 2012 at 8:57 am #

      I am not Thai, and yes Phuket is more expensive than CM but not more than Bangkok or Pattaya.

      And most places here are quiet, event more quiet than CM, up to really boring actually. People often confuse Phuket for Patong.

      • Buttercup October 26, 2012 at 9:05 am #

        As for the girls, there’s a big university here too so a lot of young Thai girls but you got to like the southern style, a bit different from the Issan or Northern styles.

        The island is also full of Issan and Northern girls who have legitimate jobs. And then you have the usual bars all over the place and of course Patong where the clubs, coyote and gogo bars are concentrating.

        To each is own 😉

  8. stevemc October 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    well thats a tough decision, i was planning on retiring to pratumnak hill in pattaya, it has good little beach 5 minute walk away but live in the heart of Pattaya..NO WAY, its full of drunken tourists, faggots and hookers. To live a healthy normal life at a low cost then you have to pick chiang mai.

  9. Milbrath October 25, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

    Pattaya is an Arab and Indian infested shit hole full of dark brown cheap prostitutes and criminals.

    Now that is out of the way, it is ground zero for dark brown Issan pussy. Like you said, more pussy than anywhere else on the planet. But that gets old. I lived there for several years and eventually realized that pussy isn’t everything and just how low class Pattaya had become.

    Chiang Mai has character. It has real people. It has a personality. And as Chris said, some of the best weather in Thailand. What it doesn’t have is cheap brown pussy on every corner, but I actually like that for a change. Pussy is here if you want it, but it’s not in your face if you don’t.

    So what to do?

    Thankfully it’s a short flight to Pattaya for those times you just need to get 2 or 3 low class inked up whores in a room and do horrible things with them.

    • ParadiseCity October 26, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

      You’re quite the charmer, huh? Watch the racial stuff please, By the way, you and I must really go to different spots in Pattaya.

      • Derek October 28, 2012 at 5:54 am #

        I´m just wondering if he has ever been to Pattaya, when I was there it was over run by Russian tourists.

        • ParadiseCity October 28, 2012 at 6:42 am #

          lol, exactly. had he mentioned that I couldn’t disagree!

    • ASEEM SHARMA April 20, 2014 at 4:07 pm #

      MILBRATH , please tell where we find college going free lancer cute girl in chiang mai , i`m going to chiangmai on 4 th of may

  10. VTwinAhmnaht October 26, 2012 at 3:40 am #

    If Thailand was a human body then Pattaya would be it’s asshole. Pattaya is so full of shit one truly can’t see the forest for the trees cause of all the shit in your eyes. I’ve been to Pattaya for a few days here and there and have had a great time and the stories that go along with it but by fuck am I ever glad to get back to Chiang Mai. Fuck beaches, I don’t need sand getting in my chain and engine all the time, give me mountains,white skinned girls, cool breezes and clear blue skies. Chiang Mai forever forever Chiang Mai

    • Brian Sumpter October 26, 2012 at 9:11 pm #

      The best part of the beach is the view of lightly cluttered sea, and the sunsets.

      • Derek October 28, 2012 at 5:51 am #

        Actually Pattaya has an awesome sunset but a fairly shit beach..seen better in Europe!

  11. Derek October 26, 2012 at 9:02 am #

    I give my vote to Pattaya, based 100% on the fact that I read the article while watching porn.

    On the serious issue Chiang Mai, and the lifestyle far out weights Pattaya. It´s really what one would prefer an in your face Vegas lifestyle or the chillax Los Angeles way?

  12. evangelist October 26, 2012 at 10:05 am #


    I was wondering what’s the beef. It’s seems it’s a choice between pussy in CM or pussy in Pattaya. Is that a life. Is that any kind of a life. How many whoremongers have a good, fun life.

    You have a choice condoms or HIV. Condoms for me ruin sex. Yeah a BBBJ is relatively safe but then fucking a plastic bag. I have always had ‘real’ girlfriends in CM and no platic bags.

    I also don’t live the life of a vampire/bar girl waiting for the sun to go down to spend 3000 baht on girls who all have Thai boyfriends, HIV or a starving buffalo and lets face it, shit all to talk about. They want your money, not what you leave in the plastic bag.

    I wonder where you and Paradise City will be in 10 years/what you will look like. I see so few healthy people living here. I just don’t get it.

    I can’t motivate myself to go to Pattaya despite all the stories I’ve heard. Bag up or catch a dose of HIV. How long can you fuck for 10 hours, then what?

    It’s an animal existence/one short on imagination.

    My Mrs of 5 years in CM is connected in all the right ways. She looks at you guys, has a laugh and goes on with the show. If you’re going to become internet billionaires from running this site, set yourselves up in a harem with high walls and lots of condoms or HIV good luck to you. Are you really enjoying this?

    Seriously the next post the long term plans of Chris and Paradise City. Chris and Paradise City in 10 years. Have a go at that post.

    I come on here for fun, it’s fun. You write some fun stuff. But I know, personally, I could never motivate myself to write a site like this. I wonder how you can.

    How many happy farangs do I see here LT fucking around, 0. Novelty can last 5 years….after that…????

    Living in Pattaya, fuck, jump off a balcony before you’re pushed.
    Live in CM only chasing skirt, I’ll see you in 10 years.

    And being an old man can I also add. What chance do either of you have of having an arm wrapped around you in bed at night from a woman who actually, genuinely loves you. I know it’s hard to believe but that is available. Maybe not on Soi 6, walking street, TLL or in a CM nightclub but it actually is there. A woman who you don’t have to pay to fuck you. I know weird idea. I know, same box every night but it’s your box, and one box is much like another. A woman, who herself might actually have balls and the ability to do things for you and her. What a thought, I know terrible. She might actually appreciate the things you do for her, genuinely.

    You know how I found that myself, by treating a girl in Thailand exactly as I treat a girl anywhere, as a person. As not someone I just want to fuck with a jiffy bag or contract a dying disease from. yeah I fucked this stunner last night ‘with a bag or with a HIV sample.’

    Post 2 what it would take for Chris and Paradise City to marry a Thai. All these free ideas, which are a million years old.

    There was a guy in Rome once Caligula I think his name was, did a lot of pussy, you seen that story, didn’t end well.

    Perhaps I should be the third writer on this site, to add the kind of balance FOX News does. Fair and balanced. Guys I hope your slongs are long and your appetites financeable.

    Just playing with some playful thoughts but guys, seriously, PFP sucks. And it leaves you dry.

    When you can really appreciate a woman.

    When you’ve been through the worst shit of your life and she is still there, and not for the money, because she genuinely 100% loves you. Try finding one of those, because acutally, they are here. If you want to play box to box for the rest of your lives let me know how that goes.

    I guess why I really wrote this is because I do have time on my hands but I just like to surf. Not on TLL’s just chillin before work. Before my Mrs comes to wrap herself into me and give me a kiss on the back on my neck, perfect sleep. You know how that feels guys, right?

    • ParadiseCity October 26, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

      I appreciate your comments, but you’re being incredibly judgmental and some of your assumptions come from a place based on wishful thinking and a bit of jealousy. I’ve mentioned before that I have a girlfriend; do you think I met her in a bar? Do you think she’s not head over heels for me? If I gut your entire post limb from limb telling you why each and every one of your assumptions was way off I’ll come off as being pompous so I’m not going to do that. But I swear on my testicles, which as you know are quite important to me, that you couldn’t be any further from the truth.
      On a side note I think you should educate yourself about HIV, and about STD spot testing. The existence of HIV should not prohibit you from heaving a healthy sex life. Some of your fears are a result of misinformation. That is a different topic for a different day.
      Also I’d be the first to admit that my passion for sex is bordering on being addictive. I could be classified as an addict; I’ve never said it’s a good thing and I’ve never judged anyone for not actively banging half of Asia. Your sex drive may be more normal than mine, but that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy my articles and learn a thing or two here and there from my experiences. I’m sure I can learn a thing or two from yours as well.

      • evangelist October 27, 2012 at 6:06 am #

        I don’t understand this, I must be dumb. HIV spot tests, what are they? If you go to a bar with a sign that says HIV tests it means it’s ok to insert? You are a brave man if you are placing your dick in those hands.

        You have a g-friend, can smell pussy from balcony. If you play around why do you have a g-friend. If you don’t play around why do you talk about why that is a great reason to life in Pattaya? If you think having a g-friend and playing around is the way to go I’d love to read that post.

        I thought this post was about making a judgement. I made a few and I’m told I’m not allowed.

        My points were simple. For me a g-friend is better than a PFP torrent. If you have a g-friend it means nothing if you do PFP. If you’ve told your g-friend you PFP and she’s fine with it, that’s different. I have never heard of that before in T-land. It would be an innovation.

        I am fully aware of the HIV stats. It’s so hard to contract, if you don’t go anal. That in Pattaya you’d be mad to bag up.

        Jealous I am, I hate my life. I hate having a real girlfirend. I hate that I have money/time to spend on whores but find better things to spend it on.

        I hate that I come to blow the breeze on this site and get blown off WTF I thought this was a democratic debate.

        • ParadiseCity October 27, 2012 at 7:31 am #

          1) You can come off as an old washed up prick and there are no consequences for this. I’m a staff writer here; so I can only go so far in responding to you because I’m not trying to turn people off. I tried to be pretty clear and honest with you in telling you that you were wrong about many of your assumptions and you just read right over that.

          2) I have a girlfriend, but I’m not married and I do what I want on the side. You’re making it like anyone who has a girlfriend is evil for messing around. Again, I’m not married and you do not know the arrangement I have with my gf. With regards to previous gf’s I’ve had; if I like them I get them tested and then I enjoy. Not bar girls; nobody in their right mind bangs bg’s without a condom and I don’t turn bg’s into gf’s. You’ve mentioned that you don’t enjoy sex with a condom on and that’s actually a bit strange. Not saying that it’s 100% as good, but if you can’t find enjoyment out of sex with a condom than you’re bordering on sexual dysfunction. I’m probably 25 years younger than you and I’m not ready to commit my c**k to one girl for the rest of my life; in your eyes that makes me a bad person???

          3) You are certainly allowed to be a judgmental prick, so go right ahead. However your contention that it was OK to make totally false, ridiculous, and mean-spirited judgments about the writers on the site because you thought the article was about making judgments is infantile. The article was about judging two cities. If you thought that you were making a logical point in connecting judgments about cities to judgments about people, then I’m afraid you are severely overestimating your ability to make logical points.

          4) You find it impossible to believe that my gf could be in love with me and be ecstatic to be with me if I mess around on the side. You’d be wrong, much like you’ve been with nearly every assumption you’ve made. And like I said you do not know the terms of our arrangement. Unless you love being wrong, you shouldn’t rush to judgments on people without actually knowing something of substance first. Knowing my situation and knowing a bit about Chris, I’m telling you the God’s honest truth in saying that you were wrong about nearly everything you guessed about either of us. I know it comes from a place of wishful thinking, because there is no way you’d go out on all of the limbs you did with such fervent negativity unless you were just wishing the worst. This line of thinking shows something “off” in you bud.

          5) I’m trying to respond to your points, but they’re so scattered that it’s difficult to do so; now you’re back to the “HIV in Pattaya thing.” Like I said, nobody in their right minds bangs a PFP girl without a condom. Most men don’t have the type of sexual dysfunction that prohibits them from having any enjoyment with a rubber. Your HIV madness in your last post went past just PFP women; it seems like you’d be scared of any girl you meet anywhere. Using protection and getting anyone you’re remotely interested in tested does the trick for most, but for you? You make it like the thought of having HIV is reason alone not to have an active sex and dating life. And that’s just silly. Maybe you’ve only had sex with 2 or 3 girls in your life, you’ve made it seem like any more than that would be evil so if you’ve had sex with a lot more than that it would be a contradiction. Instead of admitting that some people really do have an enjoyable sex life and have had it pretty good, you’d rather make it as though they must be unhealthy HIV ravaged disgusting people. Me on the other hand, I know that there are happy people out there who have only been with 1 girl their entire life, just as I know there are happy people out there who enjoy the company of many women every year. And I’m happy for anyone whose happy either way! Because I’m not like you.

          6) Now you’re saying that you have a REAL gf implying that I don’t and that Chris doesn’t….that’s almost as preposterous as you assuming that I must be in terrible health or will be in terrible health in 5 years. The truth is that if you saw the way I live my life for a day you’d see many inaccuracies in your original assumptions. But the kind of person you’re making yourself out to be; I doubt you’d accept reality, instead I believe you’d keep inventing reasons for why I must not be happy or why I will inevitably face horrible consequences simply for living a different lifestyle than you. Nobody is happy except you, correct?

          7) I talk about the PFP scene because that’s a draw to Thailand and a draw to the blog; it can’t be ignored. However, living here permanently means I don’t HAVE TO engage in PFP. I have before and I’m sure I will again, but fortunately I have it pretty good in the department of getting tail from non-BG’s. I have never judged a man for seeing BG’s or not seeing BG’s and I don’t think highly of anyone who would.

          I also think that most of my posts show a very clear use of sarcasm and humor that you are missing. My persona on here is far from serious and it’s just strange that you haven’t picked up on it. Despite your asinine and uncalled for judgments, I still wish you the best of luck and I hope you continue your happiness. God Bless!

        • evangelist October 27, 2012 at 8:49 am #

          I am a verteran of a war which kept your ass in pampers. I was married for 30 years before my wife died. I have been honest an open with you on this post.

          I am trying to educate you, as a young man, as to how you might find true pleasure in life. Your g-friend knows you screw around does she and she’s happy with that. Like I said you are a fucking genius cus when the Vietcong were throwing grenades at us, they sure didn’t like the blowback.

          You kids are so fucking dumb. If you think my comments were asine, I’d aks you to show some respect for the people who kept you safe in this world until you were tall enough to bang your bar girls.

          Keep on going pampers boy. I’ll see you in the next war, with your head down, crying and asking for a BBBJ.

          Show some respect.

        • Chris October 27, 2012 at 9:04 am #

          Dude I think your taking this a bit too personally.

        • ParadiseCity October 27, 2012 at 9:15 am #

          wow, so just because I put you in your place now you react with a tantrum about how you’re a veteran and why that means I should give you a pass for being a mean spirited judgmental prick? Sorry not gonna happen. In order to educate, you must actually be educated. You’re digging yourself a bigger grave than the ones you built for Charlie. You’re a serial monogamist, congrats… I’m not. Different strokes for different folks. Peace be with you. Live Long and Live Strong.

        • John January 16, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

          I know I probably shouldn’t laugh, but that was a good read!
          Well done gents!

  13. kelly October 26, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    Noone ever concerns the medical and hospitalization?…Please think about this before you make any decisions…

    • ParadiseCity October 26, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

      Bangkok Hospital in Pattaya is fantastic, but I’ve head good things about Chiang Mai care as well. I don’t think it’s something that differentiates either place; it’s a selling point for both.

      • Derek October 28, 2012 at 5:45 am #

        In Chiang Mai, the CM Ram hospital is first class, hands down the place to go if you ever have a problem. the McCormack is top notch also but the Ram is way better and the staff, nurses & doctors all have near perfect English. I know because I do go regularly due to a very well busted knee from a road accident few years back.

  14. Brian Sumpter October 26, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

    I lived in both places for many months in the last two years, so here is my two cents:

    The girls are more curious and normal in CM. Its very nice if you can find a girl who learned english in school!!! The ones who learn it in bars get damaged from assholes. Tough to find a “normal” girl in Pattaya. Its too commercialized for that. Hot babes with telephones are practically everywhere. Drinking beer in the beach bars is nice. I really like Paternak Hill between Jomtien and Pattaya. Its elevated and usually has a nice sea breeze. I could stay there. I enjoy the peacefulness of CM, and the many Wats. I liked going on motorbike rides around the country and up the hills. You’ll get run over or shook down by cops if you ride much around Pattaya. Prices are better in CM, and there are plenty of girls. What I liked probably the best is you can buy beer at a store 24/7 in Pattaya. I hate not being able to buy beer from 2pm-5pm, or after midnite! What BS! I hate the smug little “mai die”, and the locks!

    All I will say about promiscuity is that a Thai woman will love you more if you are monogamous. (suprise!) But if you are young, horny and handsome, that probably makes up for it! lolol!!!

    And yes, I took my wife to Pattaya. The housing options are better. Her take is that generally the Thai people have less money and are more desperate than Pattaya, but I’m sure the college girls are doing fine. I would say there are more crazy Thai men and more crime (russians too) in Pattaya. We made good friends there and had a very pleasant time. Now we are in California, dealing with the “real” world! lolol!!!!

    • Ryan February 12, 2015 at 8:40 pm #

      “All I will say about promiscuity is that a Thai woman will love you more if you are monogamous.”

      How would you know?

  15. Johnnie Walker October 27, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    PC this is an internet discussion board. They work by encouraging and allowing people to voice their different view points. Just because one contributors views are at variance with yours does not necessarily mean his views are wrong and yours are right.
    As a staff member here you should be very careful about making personal attacks on the board.

    • ParadiseCity October 27, 2012 at 12:23 pm #

      are you for real? the article was about two cities and the poster came out and said the two writers are HIV infested unhealthy miserable people who will never be loved. You think we should be encouraging that view point? Nowhere did we ask for a ridiculous critique on our personal love lives, of which the poster knows absolutely nothing about. It was uncalled for and your post is meaningless as well. We could just delete his comment or your comment, but we let them fly and that’s more encouragement than is even necessary.

    • mguy October 27, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

      When someone says something incredibly aggressive, irrational and nasty (and completely unprovoked), then they’ve lost all credibility to be taken seriously in the context of that discussion. And maybe permanently.
      End of story.

  16. TylerB October 27, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    This site is starting to taste like ThaiVisa.

    • Chris October 27, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

      Dude don’t say that!

      • Derek October 28, 2012 at 5:48 am #

        Why not? TV gets an average of million hits a month, money from advertising (google ads) itself must be awesome.

  17. david February 22, 2013 at 5:55 pm #

    I vote for chiang rai! CM is fucked already! The nightlife in the tourist area of CM is quite boring, nevertheless in the university area have very fun in places such as warm up or infinity, sometimes foreigners are not welcome there and the people are quite conservative… As a result is difficult to get a chick, a normal one, sluts and goldiggers can be gotten everywhere in thailand.

  18. tom May 5, 2013 at 2:23 am #

    chris says “The girls here are unpretentious and do not care about your money.”

    lol in so many articles all you do is bash the money grubbing girls of chang mai.

    • Chris May 5, 2013 at 6:08 am #

      Great point Tom! Though if I talked about the money grubbing girls in Pattaya i’d have way more articles written!

  19. lexluthor May 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm #

    Pattaya sucks big time right now. Don’t know about CM but I’m there now will find out soon enough.

  20. Korat Ajarn January 10, 2014 at 5:47 am #


    I’ve visited both and I prefer CM for the relaxing getaway scene. I thought it was serene and had some good sights. However, I didn’t go there with high hopes of mongering and picking up chicks, since it seemed more toned down. I’d like to see Chiang Rai in the future since it seems similar to CM.

    I liked Pattaya, it was so much fun, but living there might be too much. Overall I met some fun girls and we had our fun, but IMO, I came to Thailand to experience the truer Thailand, without all the tourists, rip offs, and mob. (Why I don’t want to see Phuket again)

    But, I’d like to visit both cities again, they are both great places to be, and for partying, I don’t know how Patts can be beat!

  21. The Dude Abides June 4, 2015 at 4:35 am #

    Tee hee. This ‘debate’ made me laugh! Which is ‘better’, Pattaya or Chiangmai? Both and neither is my answer, which is why I bought a condo in each location and share my time between the two (I have a retirement visa). When I want beaches, seafood, fishing, bars and girls galore then I stay at my pad in Pattaya, which also benefits from its proximity to Bangkok, which although is not the sort of place I could ever live in is nevertheless a fantastic city to visit, and when I want to chill out in the cooler weather, go into the mountains, and generally experience a different vibe then I go to my flat in Chiangmai. Regarding the girls in the two locations, how many girls in Pattaya are actually from the city? If you like northern girls then there is certainly no shortage of them in Pattaya, and they seem to know/accept that working there means they have to take it in the arse. One thing I will say about the girls in Chiangmai though is that they tend to have better legs, particularly upper thighs, and many also have more substantial tits. Generally speaking, though, as I am into anal I prefer Pattaya. I have on more than one occasion buggered three different (stunning) girls in one day; all freelancers from the Beach Road, and all for a total of less than 3,000 baht. I gape their arseholes and film myself sodomising them!

    • Chris June 8, 2015 at 2:47 am #

      I loved your comment, you speak the truth.

  22. Daniel Rutter June 15, 2015 at 7:17 am #

    I’m moving to Thailand in October to teach English. I enjoy a quiet life most of the time and do like the cooler weather. Also I was raised with a major university in my back yard and I live next to the campus here in slippy little old Hilo, Hawaii right now – I know how to deal with those cute, sex crazed little university girls. For all of these reasons I have to say Chiang Mai sounds like the ideal location for me. I’m hoping the company I’m coming through can place me in, or near, Chiang Mai. See you in October : – )

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