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Seemingly Normal Thai Girls Turning Into Prostitutes

This is a true story actually I could write thousands of these stories because I get it over and over and over again. Normal Thai girls at first glance are respectable go to university good parents and so on, then start asking money in exchange for sex. Here's what happened to me the other day.

Trolling the Internet like I do, looking for a one night stand at least in my mind anyway I find a bunch of email addresses and add them to my msn. Next thing you know I get a few bites from some girls and widdle it down to 1. She seems alright certainly no glamour but with my girlfriend out of town for the week I'm not too picky. So here we are chatting away giving the whole resume likes/dislikes g/f b/f routine. I tell her I havn't had a girl for a year now and I added her because well basically i'm running a bit randy and am hoping to find someone who wants the same thing. She tells me she hasn't had a boyfriend or any for a few years now (like I believe that she's playing the same game as me! awesome!). So I ask her if she's ever had a farang. Typical response I get no, never, scared, they're big. I use the same lines as always to reassure her it's all good and looks like she's taken the bait. Ok, she says, sounds good, but what are you going to give me?
seemingly normal thai girls turn into prostitutes
At this point I'm thinking OH great, this chick is on the take, so I look back over our past conversation and realise that this girl isn't a working girl at all. She is just a normal Thai Girl university student lives by herself sponging of the oldies. Now the whole conversation was written in Thai so maybe I missed something and I ask her "What do you mean? give you? I'm gonna give you a good time." Well she says, you know I'm going to give you sex so you have to give me something, but you don't have to give me anything at all it's all up to you. Umm ok well I'll give you my piece and that's about it I'm thinking. So I probe a bit further and she starts going on about how that if I were her boyfriend she'd expect me to take her out to the movies, buy her dinner when she's hungry, and if she doesn't have any money and I don't give it to her she's going to ask for it.

I'm starting to get annoyed at the whole conversation really because I mean really, why on earth does she think I'm going to give her anything at all and what makes her think I have any money to give her anyway. So I turn it around and ask her flat out, are you a prostitute? This girl she gets mad and says "no way are you crazy i'm not like that". But she's happy to ask me for money in exchange for sex but doesn't think she is a Thai prostitute. Go figure. In the end I go see her at her place then come home took me an hour and half and cost me 100 baht for gas and condoms and the only thing I gave her was some action with her first farang. Even without any money in her pocket, in my mind she still got the better end of the stick because she didn't spend anything and didn't even have to leave home.

Now 100 baht lighter in the pocket I came home and started thinking about this Thai girl asking me for money. If I were a Thai guy would she say the same thing? Probably not, but then I don't know because I'm not a Thai guy but I doubt it. So the only conclusion that I can think of is that Thai girls think that all foreigners will give them money for sex. I know I wrote an article about Thai girls not being all about money, but that doesn't mean Thai girls don't think that we farang all give them money.

Now could you imagine girls in Europe, America or Australia hooking up with them and them asking you for money in exchange for the goods? It just wouldn't happen, well it certainly hasn't happened to me. For most girls there it would be a cardinal sin to even suggest such a thing, they'll get it discreetly but would never blurt it out. In fact I think if a girl did say that to me in California I would be hitting the delete button pretty quickly, no one wants that crap unless of course it was totally worth it and she'd have to be a pretty hot doll you know.

I don't believe that farang have done anything to make seemingly normal Thai girls turn into prostitutes and that's basically what this girl was trying to do. I'm thinking more that the reason why these girls keep asking me for money is because they believe that farang are willing to pay for it. Who told them this I don't know but it can't be their own reasoning, it must be like an old wives tale or something. However the reason it is what they think and it's quite annoying.

In the end when a Thai girl starts asking you for money do what I do, I say well you know if you were my g/f and we were dating then sure that would be acceptable however we need to get it on first get to know one another first before we go to that step. She'll work harder for you because she's not getting the quick money fix but looking long term. Then turn around and say to her "well you know I met someone else. End of Story." They seem to leave easier once you tell them your with someone else.

So guys let me know if you got a story of a girl hitting you up for money that wasn't a Thai prostitute or otherwise on the take, what did you do once she starting hitting you up? Let me know. The comments section below is now open so you don't have to sign in like you did before.

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42 Responses to Seemingly Normal Thai Girls Turning Into Prostitutes

  1. Rish October 13, 2011 at 2:01 am #

    Hi Chris,

    good post and spot on…I have heard this ‘request’ from women in many countries in latin america and asia, and is perpetuated by guys sending money to them over the internet without even meeting them, or planning to meet them…the girls play on their sympathies, and so they start to see all farang as a soft touch…and then they talk to each other of course so the tale spreads like wildfire….

    I spent the past weekend at my house with a ‘normal’ thai girl – – all was fine and then one afternoon we saw some bar girls and she asked me “why do those prostitutes do that work? why dont they just quit?” I shrugged and said well maybe they dont have a nice job like you and need to eat and pay the rent. She seemed unsatisfied with that explanation, but did not pursue it. The next day before she left she tried to hit me up for 2000 baht, apparently mistaking my kindness for stupidity. I just laughed and told her I was thinking she owed me money for food and the electricity she used in my house. She looked shocked at the suggestion.

    I was clearly not her first farang gik, nor will be I her last, but she does not see herself in the same class as the bar girls. At least the girls working the bars and go-go’s are honest about their intentions, and dont take the moral high ground while they are angling for some easy baht. I took her out to eat and even bought her a few gifts, but she could not resist testing the limits of my generosity, and I agree with you that I dont think she would try that with a thai man. So, I just flip it back on them and say that I usually charge other girls, but i decided to give it to her for free today haha….

    • edit769 February 11, 2013 at 8:52 am #

      Well said. Spot-on.

    • tom July 29, 2022 at 9:13 am #

      What a load of shit. obviously a CHEAP CHARLIE WHO COUNTS EVERY DOLLAR .PETTY LITTLE GUY ID SAY.You gave up dating thai girls because the gave up you. Western women would find you miserable as well. N O DOUBT YOU DONT OWN ANY ASSETS OR HAVE MUCH MONEY so t hat puts you down on the bottom shelf as a boyfriend noone wants a miserable mean loser

  2. ChiangMaiGuy October 13, 2011 at 4:21 am #

    I don’t agree with the ‘turning into prostitute’ comment. It’s just that the lines are ‘blurred’ for nearly all girls in South East Asia. Money is number one out of necessity and they DO ask Thai guys for money – you don’t get ‘Giks’ or Mia Nois’ back In Europe (or very, very rarely) and Thai guys have TO PAY.

    These girls have little to ‘trade’ and they see little harm on being ‘helped’. It’s all an exchange – nothing wrong in that but you can’t put them in the same ‘class’ as bar girls etc. as they are not ‘working’ – just being ‘helped’ – that’s the way they see it – me too… but you will quickly piss them off if you try to suggest they are prostitutes.

    So Uni Students, poorly paid waitresses or coffee shop girls etc. want to have fun BUT need to pay the rent – good for us right?

    If it’s clear – and I like her – i will happily give her 1000 for fun – if she’s from the internet (most of mine are) I normally do not pay UNLESS it’s agreed to ‘help her’. So I’ll pick up the tuk tuk fee and pay dinner etc. but that’s it. But I have no qualms in paying a ravishing hot chick something to ‘help her’ if that has been understood.

    IF they ask afterwards I normally do not pay as they didn’t make it clear but we can’t push them into the ‘prostitute’ bracket as they are girls who work in bars or on the street specifically for raising cash for sex – the other girls are ‘normal’ but, as I say, like ‘help’ in exchange for ‘something’.

    I have found (after loads of ‘dates’) that it is very rare – if it is not understood up front – for girls to ask for money apart from the ‘taxi’. That’s been my experience anyway and I’ve met more than my fair share.

    • Chris October 13, 2011 at 10:32 am #

      I dunno mate, the definition according to wikipedia of a prostitute is: The person who receives payment for sexual services is called a prostitute and the person who receives such services is known by a multitude of terms, including johns. So really she may not be a bar girl or massage girl but if she asks for money in exchange for sex according to the definition she is a prostitute.

      • Daviderist July 12, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

        U r right Chris. U speak the hard truth and it’s good to have an understanding w them. Everything is for sale.

      • tone994 June 19, 2013 at 8:06 am #

        Taking the gift makes it exciting, Chris:-) The good ones will fuck you anyway if you know what to say – you know that, man. Many Thai girls admire bargirls and hate them at the same time. I asked my wife once what she thought of them. She said: “I would hate having to sit outside like that, call to men and sell beer. They are so lazy, too. I would never drink, or smoke. That’s disgusting.” The doing a few big white farangs every evening bit and the money though, that she liked the idea of that.

        • sUji May 16, 2016 at 7:16 am #

          “The doing a few big white farangs every evening bit and the money though, that she liked the idea of that.”

          Lol how can you talk like that of your wife? Seriously, i question some of you white peoples priorities in life.

  3. ChiangMaiGuy October 13, 2011 at 1:44 pm #

    well… some say marriage is a form of prostitution too (not that I agree) – and girl friends? I think that ‘hard and fast’ rule is – is she ‘working’ – most are not – just occasionally try to make ends meet – not sure I would lump them all into one box that’s all 🙂

    • Chris October 13, 2011 at 1:57 pm #

      I know what you mean man. I wouldn’t call bar girls prostitutes, I’d simply say whore! haha You coming to the leo party mate?

  4. Mr David October 13, 2011 at 4:26 pm #

    Yup. Been there. One example is so great I even saved the sms. We were setting up for ONS, bird ended up asking me exactly the same thing. BUT even better, she told me this: “I was ask you for money cuz it can show me that you are selfish love to free for fuck. Almostly o guys I know them don care.” I asked her before that why she would ask money, that is what pros do. Her answer was no and she got angry. But yet, as she said “if I was not so selfish, I would give her money like all other guys.”

  5. ChiangMaiGuy October 14, 2011 at 2:57 pm #

    I really want to go dude – but i have a Thai friends daughters 13th tomorrow so can’t make it – have fun -and let me know about the next ‘party’s’

  6. HappyInBKK October 18, 2011 at 1:23 am #

    YES!! – thoroughly “Ingrained,” (right along with “all farangs are rich!”) I retired from being a schoolteacher in California 3 years ago, moved in with a teacher from “Thai Love Links.” 2 years later and my savings account empty, I realize that she has just been “on the take” pretty much the whole time. All the time though, she was telling me that “she’s a good-lady and she would never be a bargirl!” – HAHAHAHA…. I’m a lot poorer now but wise to “the game” of them being “good-girls!”

  7. Arthurrrr October 18, 2011 at 6:13 am #

    Sorry Chris but I think that your statement “Now could you imagine girls in Europe, America or Australia hooking up with them and them asking you for money in exchange for the goods? It just wouldn’t happen” is just so incredibly naive. Of course it does, it happens all the time (always has and always will) and to probably the vast majority of guys in Europe/US etc. Oh yeah, the guys try and pretend ‘I am not paying for it’ that it is just ‘custom/tradition’ that the guy usually is expected to pay for the meal, drinks, club, transport etc etc, the guy brings flowers, chocolates, a bottle of wine etc, that is all exactly the same as asking upfront for money. No, you can’t say that it is different because at the end of the day it isn’t, it is exactly the same, no ifs, buts’ or maybes’. Even more so as, at least according to anecdotal evidence, more half the time the European/American girls have to fake an orgasm, so they are certainly not doing it for the pleasure of sex, European/American guys are usually nowhere near as good as they like to pretend that they are! The only difference in the girls is that Thai Uni girls, and many other non pros, are much more upfront about ‘payments’ and far less hypocritical than a European/American girl. Good for the Thais is all I would say, I prefer honesty to hypocrisy every single time. You can call the Thai Uni girls etc, prostitutes if you like, that is your privilege, but then you also have to say that the vast majority of women in Europe/US are also prostitutes, there is no hiding the facts. As for me, I would never dream of calling the Thai Uni girls etc, prostitutes, only the girls who are in the trade full time.

    • Chris October 18, 2011 at 7:03 am #

      Thanks for your comment Arthur I’m happy to just agree to disagree on this one. Wondering though, does this happen to you a lot in Thailand?

      • Arthurrrr October 18, 2011 at 8:37 am #

        OK Chris, let’s agree to disagree. Re does this happen to me a lot in Thailand, I’ve been in a steady relationship for some time so it is a different situation, but in the old days, yes, sometimes. Admittedly mostly it was a request for payment in kind, eg can I buy this, can I buy that, or lets go out for a meal etc and I accepted all that as being part of the ‘game’ and what was expected of me. And although I wasn’t always asked, I am pretty sure that if I hadn’t got the present/s or the meal/s, whatever, I would have been in big trouble! Sometimes though I have been asked for cash by non pros and I must admit that I preferred that as I knew where I stood and how much it was going to cost me. No worrying about how expensive a present she wanted or is she going to choose the most expensive dish/drink on the menu etc, am I going to look like a cheapskate if I objected, etc. Cash was straightforward, she was happy, I was happy, great all round. And much easier than when I was living in the UK when one was never sure how much a relationship was going to cost one even if it was all indirect costs, not actual cash direct to her. No, for me, unless you are looking for a long term relationship, then cash is so much easier and better when dealing with girlfriends! And definitely I wouldn’t call that prostitution as then nearly everyone on this earth is a prostitute, one way or another. Much better to leave that designation for just the professionals, IMHO.

        • ChiangMaiGuy October 18, 2011 at 10:31 am #

          but are you paying an ‘allowance’ in this ‘steady relationship’? if you are it isn’t ‘prostitution’ but at least half-way because back in the west you wouldn’t be paying it – right? try stop paying it in Thailand and Vamoosh…

        • Arthurrrr October 18, 2011 at 12:09 pm #

          ChiangMaiGuy, sure I do, though she also contributes to some joint expenses, but that’s not the issue. My point is that girls in Europe/US etc are exactly the same as in Thailand but perhaps Thai girls are just sometimes more upfront about it all. You try to stop taking your British girlfriend out for dinner or to the club, stop buying her presents, stop picking her up in your car, etc, all the ‘normal expenses’ of a relationship, and vamoosh, you won’t be able to see for all the dust as she exits your life. No difference whatsoever from the Thai girl. There are a few ‘saints’ around in Thailand and in the West, and maybe you will strike it lucky and get something for nothing but saints are very rare, especially in the modern world. And let’s not be sexist here, men do exactly the same when in a gay relationship or in the pretty rare occasions when the woman is much richer than they are. Technically, ‘prostitution’, direct or indirect, is usually involved in nearly every such one on one relationship, in one form or another, all around the world, which is why I would be extremely reluctant to actually call anyone a prostitute as it is meaningless unless that is their full time professional occupation – or maybe a politician!

        • Chris October 18, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

          Personally I don’t know about this one, I lived in the US and Australia and nearly all the relationships and it was pretty even, sure i bought presents but so did they, dinner was usually a shared expense etc etc. Thailand i’ve found it to be the same also, however you hvae to do it Thai style, no girl is going to share an expensive meal at a really nice restaurant in bangkok unless she’s making over 80000 a month, however have noodles at the corner shop and ask her to go halves she wouldn’t think of it nor think your cheap. You don’t have to spend a bunch of money to have game and keep them around. I think your talking about two different things now because what I was writing about was when a girl i hadn’t met or just met once invites me to have sex with her in exchange for money that’s called prostitution. Try this one hhhhheeee (a t) hotmail.co.th add that girl to your msn 500 baht one time in chiang mai. She’s a normal girl but owes money to someone so she’s out there on the net trolling for people to give her 500 baht a pop. That’s prostitution but ok maybe minus the pro so maybe we should call these girls stitutions lol.

        • Rish October 18, 2011 at 2:49 pm #

          so if i have sex with a thai girl and she buys me dinner, am i a prostitute…? or is the definition gender biased?
          chris raised an interesting issue with his post, and as you guys suggest, it is not so clear cut…my american girlfriend supported me through law school without complaint…i never felt like a whore once….haha…and i am sure she did not fake her orgasms…not for three years…and i like how thai girls thank you for giving them one… so polite at times…part of the charm…

          prostitution is when a girl from anywhere, makes an explicit request for cash in exchange for sex, before or after. other forms of ‘helping’ fall into a grey area that reflect self-esteem more than financial means…

    • Daniel July 15, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

      It is completely different in the west. The main difference is the willingness of Thai women to spend time with guys the generally don’t like or have nothing in common with for monetary exchange. In the west, that behavior is generally saved for groupies and star fuckers.

      Yes we do things for our girlfriends and friends with benefits but that is because we have an established relationship. There’s also a tacit agreement in many societies that friends help each other out and do nice things for each other in exchange for nothing.

      Also, as the relationship goes on the wining and dining does often stop without the girl leaving. I know tons of married couples who are content with one date night/month.

      The uni girl who agrees to have sexual liasons with men is a prostitute. It does not matter if she does it once a month or every day of the month.

      There is a huge difference between the girl who takes a few drinks off a guy in a club then decides he’s pretty cool so she sleeps with him and the girl who says I want to drink tonight with my friends so I guess if this Farlang buys us a few bottles one of us should sleep with him.

      • Arthurrrr July 16, 2012 at 12:43 am #

        Sorry Daniel, I would strongly disagree. There’s a whole load of different motivations in why a girl will sleep with a guy but essentially in no way at all is it ‘completely different in the West’. We are not talking about friends here or established relationships, we are talking about ‘one-off stands’ or what is regarded by both sides as very short term relationships. A girl who sleeps with a guy in the West after being taking out for a night or being bought a few drinks is in exactly the same situation as the university girls in Thailand, it is sex in return for a present/s or gifts of some sort. OK, in Thailand it is more likely to involve money but not necessarily and gifts of clothes, jewelery etc in return for favours are also common here.
        Also in no way can it be said ‘there is a tacit agreement’ in the West that people give each other gifts. That only applies to long term or permanent relationships. That is exactly the same in Thailand, and the rest of Asia, but as for very short term relationships, no, there is no tacit agreement in the West, it is called paying for sex, at least by many people. A girl sleeping with a guy after being bought a few drinks is most definitely a prostitute as in Western Society most girls accept that there is a tacit agreement that if they accept a number of drinks/meals etc being bought for them, they will have sex with that guy. OK they might defer it to a second meeting in order to get even more drinks/meals, and sometimes they don’t have sex because they are just trying to exploit the guy or else are too drunk, but it still remains prostitution. I know guys like to think girls sleep with them because they are ‘cool’ but all the research in this area shows that that view is just nonsense. Maybe 5%, up to 10% max, of girls sleep with a guy because he is ‘cool’ but usually it is because it is accepted that sex is the price of accepting the drinks/meals etc. Most guys do tend to think that they are so ‘cool’ but the reality is usually the opposite. OK, if the girl finds you physically repulsive she won’t sleep with you, but then most reasonable girls wouldn’t accept your drinks/meals etc in the first place and you will just be told to f… off. Same with Thai uni girls, though I would accept that their standards are possibly lower in this respect and you would need to be pretty awful to be told to f… off.
        As I have said a number of times, I think the term prostitution is totally wrong for the non professionals, or if it is used, then by all logic and reasonableness you must most definitely apply it to the behaviour of many girls in the West at nightclubs and other situations as well. Nope, in no way whatsoever are Thai uni girls any different at all (apart from often being better looking) than girls in the West.

  8. ChiangMaiGuy October 18, 2011 at 2:24 pm #

    well… not really Arthurrr… here you pay an ‘allowance’ which is really a wage – I have never done that in all my years of girlfriends back in UK. I agree it’s not ‘prostitution but it IS ‘different’ same as the age gap – your girl must be significantly younger right? try that back ‘home’ and we have to make ‘considerations’ because we get this great (and young) ‘deal’. It is more of an ‘exchange’ here (or should I say ‘sexchange’?).
    Just about all of us pick a younger model who may not look twice at us back home – but will here for ‘help’.

    Nothing wrong with it – but it is what it is.

  9. Arthurrrr October 19, 2011 at 3:42 am #

    Rish, fair enough point of view, but I would say is that if any sort of ‘present/gift’ is requested, not just cash, in your definition of a prostitute. Although common it does seem to be a very Western hang-up that somehow if a ‘present’ is given, eg jewellery, clothing, nice dinner somewhere, visit to the movies, whatever, it is OK, but if it is cash it somehow becomes something different. Maybe I have lived too long in Asia but I tend to take the more Asian, including Thai, point of view that cash is exactly the same as everything else so in your definition one really needs to say if the girl asks for anything at all in return or any sort of ‘present/gift’, whether cash or in kind.
    Chris, sure, I would accept that probably there is a grey area over what should be called prostitution and some people would call it one way and someone else another way. It is often not clear. However, your comment re the girls trawling the net for ‘customers’ at 500 baht a go is no doubt true but the point is, that that sort of thing happens nearly everywhere in the world (maybe less so in Moslem countries). When I was in the UK, the weekend newspapers were full of stories of Uni girls (even secondary school girls sometimes) selling their bodies to get money for clothes, nights out, whatever. Always been going on. Same in the US of course and indeed the classic fantasy of many a red blooded college lecturer is of the hot girl having sex with him in order to improve her grades – and sometimes their fantasies came true! That is really no different at all to the Thai girl asking for money to pay off her debts or maybe just to buy the latest fashion accessory. I’m not condemning it, just saying that it happens nearly everywhere in the world, Thai girls are really no different whatsoever to girls elsewhere. And girls (and boys) everywhere will use whatever assets they have to get what they want. As far as I can see the only fundamental difference between ‘ordinary’ Thai girls and European/US girls that I have ever seen is that sometimes (not always by any means) Thai girls are more upfront and explicit about what they want and often have less of a hangup about the whole process than many girls do in the West. And that of course is one of the things that we love the most about them, less of a guilt trip for them and thus more fun for us males – but I still really wouldn’t call it full on prostitution, though I fully understand those who would!

  10. somchai November 9, 2011 at 1:00 am #

    trolling the internet wanting free sex? what a joke, you do not know very much about thailand or its culture.

    you’re thinking a girl should go with you for free here is retarded thinking, and it seems like you want to cheat the girl out of the only thing of value she has?

    taking advantage poverty will catch up with you and it will be very hard knocks

  11. John King November 18, 2011 at 9:50 am #

    Pls. help me, Chris. When will I be as wise as you and get mad ass? Why do even working girls reject me?

  12. memento mori December 9, 2011 at 6:09 am #

    Your a cheap bastard – face it! You got yr rocks off and she got to be with her first farang – how lucky she is to be blessed by yr sperm. Maybe u should market this wonderful gift for the rest of humanity. I hope yr g/f reads yr blog and realises what a warped idea of human relations u have.
    fyi, i have ‘picked-up’ filipinos from the internet while living in manilla and always gave them a very generous ‘cab fare’ afterwards. Why? Because I appreciate the disparity between income and living conditions and realise that 20 -30 aussie dollars (basically a few drinks at the pub with some mates) makes a big difference so them in their lives.

    • Chris December 9, 2011 at 6:17 am #

      My girlfriend reads and helps me with this blog and hasn’t had a problem thus far. She even agrees not to give money to the girls I pick up of course she’d rather have it right?

      • Bam January 7, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

        Oh dear

        if I were her I will said darling please give her the money. she need for life same like us.

        Or I will said, darling we look for another job is better for you am sure you are intelligent enough for that,after some time when look it back how we can proud about that. Sorry ! if make you feel some how not good (just my idea)

        Best wishes

  13. Daniel July 15, 2012 at 3:58 pm #

    “I don’t believe that farang have done anything to make seemingly normal Thai girls turn into prostitutes and that’s basically what this girl was trying to do.”

    Actually, they do. When I was in Udon I saw a guy harassing a waitress at the Irish Clock. It appeared that she had turned him down who knows how many times and instead of letting her walk away he was holding her arm and going on about how rich he was, how he could take care of her, how he could buy her things…

    My experience is limited, but I get the impression that in many Thai towns (foreigners seem to cluster in certain places, rarely going off the beaten path until they have met their “dream girl”) non P4P girls get solicited pretty frequently. Add to that how many have a friend, relative…who currently has or has had a foreigner buying things and giving money and it is not hard to see why they are like this. Many people are greedy, envious of others and generally lazy. Hard to blame Thai women, this modern generation seems to be especially lazy, for taking the quick and easy road.

    I’ve noticed some Thai women go through the following cycle: have low wage/long hour job->meet westerner through a friend, on the Internet or out on the town->begins to date the westerner->westerner convinces girl to quit job->westerner sends/gives money and “takes care”->westerner gets bored and leaves girl->girl has to choose between low wage job or prostitution until she finds another sponsor->girl chooses prostitution->finds sponsor->repeat cycle. This cycle seemed more prominent in girls under 30.

    Chris, is there in possibility that you could interview some of your male Thai friends about the expectations that Thai women put on them? I can’t be 100% sure, but there seems to be a double standard in what is expected from a Thai guy and a western guy and I would love to hear a Thai’s opinion on it especially as it relates to the article “How much are Thai girls worth.” I’d especially like to hear about the difference between working class Thai guys and somewhat high society ones. In Vietnam I found that some of the women would never ask a working class Vietnamese guy for anything, but if they were the mistress or girlfriend of a factory owner would expect to be well compensated.

    • Chris July 15, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

      I don’t think there is a double standard at all. I think that it’s more likely western dudes are just gullible and THINK that they have to pay up and pay more. But i think you have a good idea there about asking Thai guys i’ll check into it.

  14. MagicMax July 16, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    I have read this thread with interest on all of the opinions in it and would like to add mine.

    Personally I tend to categorise relationships into the following numbers having spent a meagre 2 years in Asia and a lot of time in Western and Eastern Europe. I can quote real examples from first hand experience.

    1. Supplemental (Geneva) – The single mum or student – It is well known that these ladies have started working in their spare time to supplement their income in a better part of the city. The Police know about this and register them in case of any trouble.

    This is a transaction like any other and it is very clear what the terms are. Whether it becomes anything else is could work.

    2. Neccessity – (Everywhere I have been) – The girls who have been trafficked, fall on hard times, get picked up and moved to another country as a wife and dumped later and addicts to whatever drug.

    Desperation leads to this transaction and could be either way. Deceit or an honest transaction.

    Anyone who falls for this lady is in for a rough ride.

    3. Trade (Again anywhere) – This lady has discovered she can earn tons of money by honestly saying who she is and what she does to earn it.

    An attempt at a relationship of any other kind with one of these ladies is doomed.

    4. The Con Artist (Again anywhere) – This is the lady who will tempt a guy into a seemingly fantastic relationship and then start siphoning off everything she can then dump him when she has got what she needed/wanted or the guy is broke.

    Seriously difficult one but if you can leave the love goggles out and realise what is happening then ……… run away very fast.

    5. A genuine loving relationship – This is a toughie and the example is my last marriage to an Eastern European that I met on the internet by chance when ICQ was the rage.

    She popped up one day in a chat out of nowehere (it was always on in the background) and we got chatting. The lady who I thought was my lifetime partner had left me and I am pretty sure I had a nervous breakdown.

    The chats went on for 2 years in which time I moved and started living with another lady but things went wrong for one reason or another and I sodded off to Paris for a long weekend and met the Romanian lady.

    I subsequently visited her in Romania, she visited me in the UK and then after nearly a year I paid for her visa to move over to the UK and supported her for 6 months while she was on fiancee visa and not able to work, got married, she got a job and then I was made redundant. She then found a job with a major International company and supported me in the UK until she moved into another position in Switzerland. We moved and I got a contract at the same company and we suddenly found ourselves quite wealthy and started having a great time.

    3.5 years later and my contract finished and having just been in Thailand for tech SCUBA diving courses and a holiday with my daughter, I returned and got a house in Thailand (guess what I had met a Thai lady!).

    My now ex-wife, I believe still loves me and has been looking after the house and my things (with a lot of help from me). I have to say, I would still be there if the contract had not finished.

    After nearly 2 years, I am still unsure which number the Thai lady is but she has not been overly demanding monetarily or otherwise and we have had many problems along with nice times.

    I still may move back to Europe and try and pick up things with my ex as I believe as you get older the love and consideration is far more important than a great night of sex or at a club etc.

    Of course, this is how I see things from my own experiences and there are always exceptions to the norm.

    Apologies for the length of this post but I felt I wanted to say something as it isn’t just Thailand where all this happens!!!!!

  15. MagicMax July 16, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    Oh I left one thing out, in light of the scandals with the World banks and particulary interest rate rigging that has come to light, how would you compare this to a girl who says she will have sex with you for an price? Just another example of the money trap:-)

  16. Troy July 21, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    dude, its 100 baht. $3.00 !!! are you serious ?? youre all sooky about 3 bucks, and you pay out on a poor thai girl, you pathetic ass

    • dj September 18, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

      Troy its people like you that wreck countries like this. These Americans that come over throwing wads of cash around acting like super heros and kind hearted souls helping the poor girs out.

      Well let me tell u something, you have corrupted them to the point where they judge all of us to be the dumb yank with more money than sense. This mentality has ruined them, the Japanese also do it these days and yes they will put you to shame even.

      For those of us who actually live here, for 10 years now in my case. I can tell you Chris has got it right. Its not about the 100 baht, its the morality and being treated with equality that those of us that live here besides them deserve. Its being respected and not getting ripped off or exploited since we actually live here too. If you want to come on holiday and pretend to be a gangsta playa, go for it. But those of us who know better dont want to feed the sharks so they can breed more and more sharks and turn the place into a bloody mess!

      • Bam January 7, 2013 at 8:35 pm #

        Thanks, where are you? Maybe you are the frist farang who I would like to invite for some drink and give you a nice flower. I will not ask you anything in return. I feel already so much appreciate what come out from your personality… so nice!

        sooooo lucky that I’m never go with farang who offer me for coffee and some offer me to pay my flat and want to by gift for me.I’m honestly, immediately to say NO. WHY ????
        I guess you know…

        nice to meet you here

    • Bam January 7, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

      OMG … Troy
      poor thai girl only $3.00. It a pity!!!!!!!!
      Do you have a mother and daughter? or you don’t mind.

    • True April 28, 2014 at 2:38 am #

      He is being cheap thats why. Poor girl and to his gf.

  17. Jack December 23, 2013 at 1:57 am #


    I m not farang. But I like and have visited your website many time. I would like to ask you a suggestion. I do like Asia or thai girls. But also westerner girls. But I want to know how to pick up or hook up and where to (bar, clubs ) to meet them in Chiang Mai?



  18. Anon January 22, 2022 at 10:48 pm #

    I’ve been living here 6 years. I”ve met more than a few ‘good’ hotel / restaurant girls who wanted to go on a date so have taken them out and wined and dined like I would back home. They’re always willing to come back to my house and sleep in the same bed, but no touching. I figured it was a first date rule, so ignored it. Then one of them started talking about debt etc in bed, so I offered her money to help. That’s really all it was intended as, then she just jumped me.

    I’m not naive and I’ve slept with my fair share of p4p women here, but these girls are a different category. They really do just need to supplement their income and will never admit to being a prostitute because of the stigma and loss of face, but it does make it difficult for us guys. I liked the girl who did this and dated her with the intention of a long term relationship, but it was only ever about the cash to her and I doubt I was her only ‘date’ that week.

    I do think it’s our fault as farang for creating this situation. We come over here and throw money around and they all have a friend who is getting rich on the back of this excess money, but I think most of the girls probably hate us and disrespect us for it and assume we’re all punters, ready to pay, so why not take it ? They’ve probably all had their fair share of asshokes who bullshitted them, screwed them and dumped them too so I can see their point.

    Makes it hard to start a normal relationship though when they have this ingrained into them because of our generally shitty behaviour with the women out here. I just stopped dating Thai girls in the end because it’s impossible to know whether they’re doing it for the money or not and if you ask them up front before the date if it’s business, of course they all say no. Too much of a minefield for me. I only date western girls here now.


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